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Killtech #1 Posted 08 February 2018 - 03:28 PM

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currently the term "paper armor" is reserved for tanks without meaningful armor. but it seems that this might change quite soon because scientist have made "paper" (okay, it's actually specifically processed wood) more durable and lighter then steel. the published article can be found in the nature science magazine.

 

most importantly (for a tanks perspective anyway) there were ballistic tests made with the new material:

 

and that's just the beginning. so in the future beware of tanks with impenetrable paper armor!

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Most tanks which supposedly have "bad armour" seem to already be using this when i shoot at them.. amount of times ive bounced off RHM's, grille's, arty, AMX 13's... :angry:

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Paper armour is sort of an advantage IRL (and in War Thunder), as (APHE) shells relies on actualyl hitting some armour to trigger the fuse. Not that it would be particularly pleasant if a round passed straight through the vehicle, but still.

Coldspell #4 Posted 08 February 2018 - 03:43 PM

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Why do you think so many Russians tanks are covered in logs....  The ruskies had this armor half a century ago.

vasilinhorulezz #5 Posted 08 February 2018 - 03:59 PM

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View Postxx984, on 08 February 2018 - 03:30 PM, said:

Most tanks which supposedly have "bad armour" seem to already be using this when i shoot at them.. amount of times ive bounced off RHM's, grille's, arty, AMX 13's... :angry:

 

Driving a Sheridan, I magically bounced a Grille's shot with my tracks, he didn't even track me :teethhappy::teethhappy:.

 



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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 08 February 2018 - 02:59 PM, said:

 

Driving a Sheridan, I magically bounced a Grille's shot with my tracks, he didn't even track me :teethhappy::teethhappy:.

 

 

Bounced a full HEAT clip off a sheridan with TVP once.. Had HEAT loaded for an enemy Maus, ended up shooting the Sheridan.. Damn spaced armour all over the thing lol

Dava_117 #8 Posted 08 February 2018 - 06:50 PM

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View PostKilltech, on 08 February 2018 - 03:28 PM, said:

currently the term "paper armor" is reserved for tanks without meaningful armor. but it seems that this might change quite soon because scientist have made "paper" (okay, it's actually specifically processed wood) more durable and lighter then steel. the published article can be found in the nature science magazine.

 

most importantly (for a tanks perspective anyway) there were ballistic tests made with the new material:

 

and that's just the beginning. so in the future beware of tanks with impenetrable paper armor!

:P

 

 

He talks about specific strength, so it says that 1kg of that material is stronger (I suppose in terms of Young module) than 1kg of, as an example, steel allow. But this doesn't automatically extend to "better than". For example, if the material is a lot less dense than steel, it may be translated in a far greater thickness required to obtain the same effect as steel, even if the total weight is lower.

But it's quite intresting as building material. Really intresting!



CircleOfSorrow #9 Posted 08 February 2018 - 07:27 PM

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The Russians were using reconstituted wood pulp panels to build their superior aircraft of ww2.  There is nothing new under the sun.

Hotwired #10 Posted 08 February 2018 - 11:49 PM

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View PostCircleOfSorrow, on 08 February 2018 - 06:27 PM, said:

The Russians were using reconstituted wood pulp panels to build their superior aircraft of ww2. There is nothing new under the sun.

 

Are you thinking of the use of plywood because that's not how plywood is made.

 

And the reason for wood was nothing to do with damage resistance. The British Mosquito was mostly made of wood for advantages in production (wood was easier to get and manufacture) and flying speed (light but strong enough) but they knew it took damage worse than a metal plane.

 

https://en.wikipedia...illand_Mosquito

 

 



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View PostKilltech, on 08 February 2018 - 03:28 PM, said:

currently the term "paper armor" is reserved for tanks without meaningful armor. but it seems that this might change quite soon because scientist have made "paper" (okay, it's actually specifically processed wood) more durable and lighter then steel.

 

Anyone who's bought toilet roll from one of those cheap supermarkets already knows this.



TurnedToDust #12 Posted 09 February 2018 - 12:05 AM

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For some reason the thought of receiving bits of wood in the face sounds more appealing then heated metal.

DracheimFlug #13 Posted 09 February 2018 - 01:28 AM

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View PostAikl, on 08 February 2018 - 03:30 PM, said:

Paper armour is sort of an advantage IRL (and in War Thunder), as (APHE) shells relies on actualyl hitting some armour to trigger the fuse. Not that it would be particularly pleasant if a round passed straight through the vehicle, but still.

 

I seem to remember the Brits having a similar problem in the Falklands War taking on lighter Argentine ships. More modern high velocity stuff (like anti ship missiles) would make a hole but just punch through the other side without doing significant real damage. They found old fashioned higher calibre guns more useful.




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