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ELC Even 90 - Buff the DPM?


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Poll: ELC Even 90 DPM Buff? (135 members have cast votes)

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Is the DPM too low (see attached image)?

  1. DPM is fine (55 votes [40.74%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 40.74%

  2. Buff reload time (55 votes [40.74%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 40.74%

  3. Buff clip size (21 votes [15.56%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.56%

  4. Buff Alpha damage (4 votes [2.96%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.96%

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FryingTonight #1 Posted 10 February 2018 - 06:15 AM

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I was adding the Even 90 to my spreadsheet of guns, and noticed the disparity between it and other light tanks of that tier. I fully accept it's new, and that it's an oddball tank, but its DPM is horribly woeful (in my opinion). I don't have (and never will have) this tank, regardless of the future of it. I'm not really into buffing / nerfing tanks as a rule either, unless there's a glaring issue (which I believe this is).

 

With a 30 second reload, tankers have to disappear for much of the game, and reappear and probably won't kill tanks alone. Considering that the next worst DPM, tier 8 light tank is the Bat Chat 12t at 1,600-ish DPM, and most of the others are 2K or more DPM, I feel the Even 90's DPM to be too low.

 

The three ways to buff it are:

 

Alpha: It's not a realistic thing to 'just buff' the alpha from 220 to 300, if the shell is the same calibre.

Clip Size: Kind of unrealistic. The gun maybe wouldn't have the capacity to hold more than 3 shells.

Reload time: The least unrealistic option. After all, an automatic reloader that takes 30 seconds for 3 shells isn't realistic either (10 seconds per shell). There's a huge argument for having a single shot gun with an 11 second reload for better DPM!!

 

Compare the options' data if you like:

 

 

Shorter reload of 21 seconds improve the DPM by about 400, Clip size by about 300, and alpha by about 400.

 

So there you go. Ok, it's WoT, and logic isn't always logical in gaming. Am I being too sensible here?

 

Or is buffing a prem tank just a bad idea no matter what? :trollface:



OldG_Expired_One #2 Posted 10 February 2018 - 06:39 AM

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it's just fine you've just got to play it a bit less aggressive and only go after low health targets you can finishes off or that's how I play it.

basin79 #3 Posted 10 February 2018 - 08:53 AM

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View PostOldG_Expired_One, on 10 February 2018 - 06:39 AM, said:

it's just fine you've just got to play it a bit less aggressive and only go after low health targets you can finishes off or that's how I play it.

It's just fine? What? It's a tier 8 with 1.1k DPM. How's that "fine"?



hedgehog_s #4 Posted 10 February 2018 - 09:23 AM

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Everyone is whining about the DPM of this tank ?? Play it accordingly - its a great tank - 2 or 3K spotting per game plus 1.5K damage on average I'm happy with that and moreover its FUN. If it needs buff on anything its the power to weight so pushing through a tree doesn't slow you to half speed.

Enforcer1975 #5 Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:21 AM

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I'm for a better reload. I can work with 3 shells.

Enforcer1975 #6 Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:30 AM

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View PostOldG_Expired_One, on 10 February 2018 - 06:39 AM, said:

it's just fine you've just got to play it a bit less aggressive and only go after low health targets you can finishes off or that's how I play it.

That's how you end up not carrying your own weight. This tank is so small, quick and stealthy it can get to places where other tanks can't and attack from unexpected positions with a compared to it's size hard hitting gun.  



Pansenmann #7 Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:30 AM

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View Postbasin79, on 10 February 2018 - 08:53 AM, said:

It's just fine? What? It's a tier 8 with 1.1k DPM. How's that "fine"?

 

Because it is.

 

I would love to have the old ELC returned to old  values,

but not a buffed Even! It would not be fair.



Aikl #8 Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:38 AM

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Seeing how it can be played, it's sort of obvious why the thing wasn't given more firepower. ;)

basin79 #9 Posted 10 February 2018 - 11:24 AM

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So those typing it's a fantastic spotter. Brilliant. But how does spotting help you carry a game if needed?

It's absolutely pointless if you're the only one left. Also on city/corridor maps you lose this tanks biggest perk. So again you're forced to rely on it's awful DPM.

That typed I DON'T own this little rascal. Yet. I intend to buy it today as I've seen loads of posts stating the tank is bad BUT it's fun. I haven't played WoT properly for about 7 months. Had a handful of games over xmas drunk but that's it.

I actually get really apprehensive before I play a multiplayer game. This tank will hopefully help me get over that. I won't expect miracles from myself. I'll be able to give myself a break.

I'll reply to this thread later to type how I've got on.

CmdRatScabies #10 Posted 10 February 2018 - 11:57 AM

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View PostPansenmann, on 10 February 2018 - 10:30 AM, said:

 

but not a buffed Even! It would not be fair.

 

Exactly.  A super fast small tank with a good gun would be a nightmare.

dimethylcadmium #11 Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:07 PM

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firepower is the balancing factor, as the tank is very small, thus hard to hit or even spot.

 

any form of DPM buff would make the BC-12t and other tier 8 light tank absolutely useless

 

if you don't like the low DPM, don't buy it. simple. WG won't break the balance even more just because one person want's a DPM buff


Edited by dimethylcadmium, 10 February 2018 - 12:08 PM.


9IBrownie #12 Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:09 PM

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I don't want any competition for my M41 GF, so I vote no! :D

basin79 #13 Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:13 PM

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View Postdimethylcadmium, on 10 February 2018 - 12:07 PM, said:

firepower is the balancing factor, as the tank is very small, thus hard to hit or even spot.

 

any form of DPM buff would make the BC-12t and other tier 8 light tank absolutely useless

 

if you don't like the low DPM, don't buy it. simple. WG won't break the balance even more just because one person want's a DPM buff

1 person? All the CC's and streamers want a DPM buff. 

 

Not sure why when WG release OP meds/heavy Russian tanks no one really blinks. But when a French light is released that's underpowered it's deemed fair as it's a light.

 

The mind boggles. 

 

 


Edited by basin79, 10 February 2018 - 12:13 PM.


Pansenmann #14 Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:16 PM

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View Postbasin79, on 10 February 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

1 person? All the CC's and streamers want a DPM buff. 

 

Not sure why when WG release OP meds/heavy Russian tanks no one really blinks. But when a French light is released that's underpowered it's deemed fair as it's a light.

 

The mind boggles. 

 

 

 

I rather want the old elc returned and placed on tier 6 or 7.

I dont want others to have fun with the ELC Even.

Clear enough?



8126Jakobsson #15 Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:20 PM

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View Posthedgehog_s, on 10 February 2018 - 09:23 AM, said:

Everyone is whining about the DPM of this tank ?? Play it accordingly - its a great tank - 2 or 3K spotting per game plus 1.5K damage on average I'm happy with that and moreover its FUN. If it needs buff on anything its the power to weight so pushing through a tree doesn't slow you to half speed.

 

​Sounds good but your average is 876 dmg and 823 assist. 

KillingJoker #16 Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:35 PM

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This tank should be buffed,

 

If they dont give it a new engine, the reload time should be buffed to 20 seconds and the clip should have 4 shells

reason: to prevent any tier 7 light tanks like the T71 who can yolo one clip shot the ELC EVEN 90 

 

If they dont want to change the dpm, they should at least buff the engine power to 250 h/p,

reason: so the elc can at least run away from other light tanks

 

currently the ELC is very map dependant, and its very vulnerable to light tanks, any light tank have dpm and mobility to kill an ELC at any time of the game

its all a matter of wanting to kill it,

 

 



Enforcer1975 #17 Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:35 PM

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View PostAikl, on 10 February 2018 - 10:38 AM, said:

Seeing how it can be played, it's sort of obvious why the thing wasn't given more firepower. ;)

...if it was russian...



basin79 #18 Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:36 PM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 10 February 2018 - 12:35 PM, said:

...if it was russian...

If it was Russian it would have been released as a tier 6. With a few little buffs. 



basin79 #19 Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:40 PM

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The ELC EVEN 90  pays for being fast and sneaky with the lack of armour, hit points and pen. DPM shouldn't be on that list but it is.

ElemenT_ #20 Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:41 PM

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for me itss reload time witch, witch brings alot of problems, if they can buff that it will be godlike tank. atleast for me plus i dont have any skill or perk on on this tank.




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