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Poll: Tier balance (Tier 5+) (151 members have cast votes)

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Which tier has the best balance

  1. Tier 5 (20 votes [13.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.25%

  2. Tier 6 (17 votes [11.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.26%

  3. Tier 7 (23 votes [15.23%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 15.23%

  4. Tier 8 (7 votes [4.64%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.64%

  5. Tier 9 (67 votes [44.37%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 44.37%

  6. Tier 10 (17 votes [11.26%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.26%

Which tier has the worst balance

  1. Tier 5 (5 votes [3.31%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.31%

  2. Tier 6 (7 votes [4.64%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 4.64%

  3. Tier 7 (3 votes [1.99%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.99%

  4. Tier 8 (77 votes [50.99%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 50.99%

  5. Tier 9 (2 votes [1.32%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.32%

  6. Tier 10 (57 votes [37.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 37.75%

How was the general tank balance 2 years ago compared to now?

  1. Much worse (20 votes [13.25%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.25%

  2. Worse (8 votes [5.30%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.30%

  3. Similar (18 votes [11.92%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 11.92%

  4. Better (52 votes [34.44%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 34.44%

  5. Much better (53 votes [35.10%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 35.10%

How was the general tank balance 18 months ago compared to now?

  1. Much worse (12 votes [7.95%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.95%

  2. Worse (11 votes [7.28%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.28%

  3. Similar (29 votes [19.21%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 19.21%

  4. Better (63 votes [41.72%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 41.72%

  5. Much better (36 votes [23.84%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.84%

How was the general tank balance 1 year ago compared to now?

  1. Much worse (12 votes [7.95%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.95%

  2. Worse (12 votes [7.95%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.95%

  3. Similar (43 votes [28.48%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 28.48%

  4. Better (70 votes [46.36%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 46.36%

  5. Much better (14 votes [9.27%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.27%

How was the tank balance 6 months ago compared to now?

  1. Much worse (15 votes [9.93%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 9.93%

  2. Worse (10 votes [6.62%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 6.62%

  3. Similar (81 votes [53.64%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 53.64%

  4. Better (39 votes [25.83%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 25.83%

  5. Much better (6 votes [3.97%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.97%

What do you think about current tank balance in WoT?

  1. Very good (4 votes [2.65%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 2.65%

  2. Good (2 votes [1.32%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.32%

  3. Average (16 votes [10.60%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 10.60%

  4. Bad (55 votes [36.42%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 36.42%

  5. Very bad (74 votes [49.01%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 49.01%

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ZlatanArKung #1 Posted 10 February 2018 - 09:56 AM

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WG recently claimed they were almost done balancing T8 to T10, lets see what the community thinks about this balance which is almost done.

Edited by ZlatanArKung, 10 February 2018 - 09:57 AM.


ZlatanArKung #2 Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:04 AM

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Bah, missed 1 question.
What do you think about WOT tank balance direction?

With options from.

Leading to a very well balanced game.
Leading to a balanced game.
No difference.
Leading to a less balanced game.
Leading to a much less balanced game

Sfinski #3 Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:11 AM

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I even miss the time when the new OP premiums were the worst balance issue. Now the t10 is just *edit beyond repair.

Edited by Jbnn, 14 February 2018 - 09:52 AM.
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Hammerhead20 #4 Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:18 AM

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The only and pretty well balanced tier is tier IX (in my opinion).

Enforcer1975 #5 Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:20 AM

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They should balance tier 10 by giving it +-1 MM.

Dr_Oolen #6 Posted 10 February 2018 - 10:43 AM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 10 February 2018 - 10:20 AM, said:

They should balance tier 10 by giving it +-1 MM.

 

Wouldnt help anything at all. Just tanks on T10 amongst each other are now basically 3 tiers apart. So in a sense yes, if T10 had only full t10 games then you would basically get a +-2 MM, except the tanks would all be clasiffied as one tier and not 3.

 

I mean, you have *edit like 268v4/5A/superconq/907 on the same tier as things like leopard/121b/rhm *edit wagon which is easily a 3 tiers difference in terms of performance. Those tanks are literally as far apart as 3 years ago an average t8 would be from an average t10.

 

The balance is by far the worst it has ever been. Days of t5 KV-2 and t9 IS-4 with +-4 MM wit premium ammo for gold only pale in comparison because back then despite all that it was actually still possible to do flanking and such things, and back then people were on average less good than now so it was easier to actually do some outplaying with skill, unlike now when even the deepest of reds have learnt after 20k battles to use the most broken unflankable positions on all maps and will sit in those with loaded gold until the game ends.


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THE_JACK_OF_HEARTS #7 Posted 10 February 2018 - 11:05 AM

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Dr_Oolen. Your use of *edit and *edit in your text really shows your general intelligence.... And so dated also.

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Jigabachi #8 Posted 10 February 2018 - 11:19 AM

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Tiers 1-4 are pure chaos and not fun to play anymore with all those phewphew autoloaders.
Tiers 5-6 are ok.
Tier 7 is what I chose as the most balanced tier.
Tier 8 is a mess, but not only because of all those premium tanks.
Tier 9 is ok'ish, too.
Tier 10. No comment. Still not interested in that tier at all.

Apart from that: Since the balance is also directed to the mapdesign, everything above tier 7 is unbalanced by default.

 

edit: Oh... and of course the balance got WORSE over the last years. Powercreep sucks.


Edited by Jigabachi, 10 February 2018 - 11:22 AM.


Element6 #9 Posted 10 February 2018 - 11:37 AM

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How can I answer these questions without being accused of memory bias and having on a pair of rose tinted glasses?

 

The only thing I can say is that I haven't noticed the game turning less fun.



Ricky_Rolls #10 Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:01 PM

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Interesting poll. Seems like t9 has the best balance and t10 the worst for alot of peoples, how surprising.

Laatikkomafia #11 Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:10 PM

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Could not vote, as tier 1 is the most balanced tier currently available. There are no arties, no tanks with frontal armor that can't be penetrated at all and no tanks that can one-shot you.

9IBrownie #12 Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:34 PM

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I think each tier has its own balance problems.

Tier 6 has op lights

Tier 7 has op TDs

Tier 8 has new op premiums.

Tier 9 is well balanced.

Tier 10 has op premium ammunition and armour inflation.

The balance in Tier 6 has improved a lot since KV 1s and Hellcat rework, but is still bad.

Tier 7 has become slightly worse because of E25s.

Tier 8 has become much worst because of new op premium tanks.

Tier 9 has stayed the same.

Tier 10 used to be better, but was - due to premium ammo - always slightly worse than Tier 9.

 



AliceUnchained #13 Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:48 PM

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View PostJigabachi, on 10 February 2018 - 11:19 AM, said:

Tiers 1-4 are pure chaos and not fun to play anymore with all those phewphew autoloaders.
Tiers 5-6 are ok.

 

At Tiers 1 to 4 howitzer guns also are a problem. Any of those basically is like the British Tier X FV4002 for most vehicles; they either knock you out with one shot, or cripple you so much all there's left is hiding in the back as you can't even survive a low caliber auto-cannon/machine gun hit anymore. The only single-shot vehicles still playable are those with enough armor to resist majority of aforementioned pew pew and derp guns. The gift tanks are generally even worse than the worst of the regular vehicles; no armor and very low penetration means you can't do anything in most situations to most opponents. I played a few games with that T2 Light Tank last week for the first time, and came to realize there's very little you can do against the M2 for example, or the H35 (there's many more issues at these Tiers, but these 2 stood out for me).

 

The biggest problem with Tier V is the huge gap between Tier V and VII, and the frequency with which you get to see those Tier VII;

 

I decided to move up the Swedish medium/heavy line and finally bought the Tier V. I started completely stock, saw Tier V in the first game and then Tier VII in the 4 games after; there's almost nothing you can do there, and as this particular medium is neither stealthy nor very mobile even spotting and support is limited in its usefulness. I now have played 99 games in total with the Strv m/42 of which 49 were with Tier VII (49,50%), 26 with Tier VI (26,26%) and 24 with Tier V (24,24%) as top Tier. Of those 24 games, 14 were full Tier V. In 55 games (55,56%) there was a 2 Tier spread and 83 games (83,84%) had Tier V as bottom Tier (keep in mind, includes those 14 full Tier V games). This particular Tier V gets 450 HP, and you will encounter opponents with double or even triple that (but this is not unique to the Tier V - VII difference). You can be one-shotted by equal Tier derps, and generally are a 2-shot for everything else while your mobility is insufficient to outmaneuver opponents in most cases.

 

Obviously the Tier spread is skewered due to the fact Tier V does not see any Tier III. But while I have a decent grasp of the game (or at least I think I do), I can imagine many newer, inexperienced players with walk away from that crap. While the rest will just try to move up (too) quickly. The problem isn't even the 2 Tier difference in and by itself, as it's just a concept (not even a framework); it's the massive differences in performance, capability, resilience, Wargaming has attributed to vehicles 2 Tiers apart.



Dr_Oolen #14 Posted 10 February 2018 - 12:51 PM

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View PostTHE_JACK_OF_HEARTS, on 10 February 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

Dr_Oolen. Your use of *edit and *edit in your text really shows your general intelligence.... And so dated also. 

 

I think ill prefer actual measurements of intelligence to what someone pulls out of their [edited]on the internet because they get triggered by a word like a little sissy. :XD

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View Post9IBrownie, on 10 February 2018 - 12:34 PM, said:

Tier 9 has stayed the same.

 

Object 257



ZlatanArKung #16 Posted 10 February 2018 - 01:16 PM

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View PostElement6_TheSprout, on 10 February 2018 - 11:37 AM, said:

How can I answer these questions without being accused of memory bias and having on a pair of rose tinted glasses?

 

The only thing I can say is that I haven't noticed the game turning less fun.

You can't,  and you will never be able to in any kind of poll which ask questions about how you think about different aspects and compare it to earlier times.

 

It doesn't make your vote invalid though.

And as usual, the larger sample, the more accurate result (in general).



ZlatanArKung #17 Posted 10 February 2018 - 01:22 PM

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View PostInnapropriate_Username, on 10 February 2018 - 01:04 PM, said:

 

Object 257

Until recently, T9 was really not tuched by WG.

It got Mauschen, which isn't OP and AMX-heavy, which I think is overarmoured and a bit to strong).

And that is the latest addition and the only addition that came AFTER Murazor.

 

But it seems that the most appreciated tier is the tier WG have mostly ignored...



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View PostZlatanArKung, on 10 February 2018 - 01:22 PM, said:

Until recently, T9 was really not tuched by WG.

It got Mauschen, which isn't OP and AMX-heavy, which I think is overarmoured and a bit to strong).

And that is the latest addition and the only addition that came AFTER Murazor.

 

But it seems that the most appreciated tier is the tier WG have mostly ignored...

 

Tier10 somewhat gets in grand battles and whole tier10 battles, but tier9 tanks more often get into 357MM, so when E75 gets to stomp on Tiger131 weeeee, can do a lot of damage, but now 257 can just roll over in the way everybody cried that MAUS was OP.... but maus needed 10 minutes to "roll" with 20kmh, while 257 overtakes everybody and.... wah,.... every 9.22 RASHAAA tank is pure ebola;

Please...  7k blocked, like 6vs1 from all sides...  GOOD THING THEY BUFFED LOWER SIDES TO 45mm SO NOBODY CAN PEN IT!!!

But not to worry, sides are more angled than E75 that are nearly VERTICAL, but still 257 10mm thicker.

If Ob257 is Tier9 tank, E75 needs to go down to tier7.

 



Element6 #19 Posted 10 February 2018 - 06:35 PM

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View PostZlatanArKung, on 10 February 2018 - 01:16 PM, said:

You can't,  and you will never be able to in any kind of poll which ask questions about how you think about different aspects and compare it to earlier times.

 

It doesn't make your vote invalid though.

And as usual, the larger sample, the more accurate result (in general).

Then we sort of agree, and one of the issues here is that I've played some tanks prior to buffs/nerfs, and vice versa, making the assessment even more difficult. Thing is, due to this, I am not even feeling confident voting. A poll such as this makes it hard for me to make a sincere contribution, while polls like "Do you look forward to patch X" is much easier to vote for/against, because it solely relates to anticipation of what is to come, where I can look forward to some change in mechanic, added content or similar without having any prior knowledge of how it will pan out.



ZlatanArKung #20 Posted 10 February 2018 - 07:15 PM

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View PostElement6_TheSprout, on 10 February 2018 - 06:35 PM, said:

Then we sort of agree, and one of the issues here is that I've played some tanks prior to buffs/nerfs, and vice versa, making the assessment even more difficult. Thing is, due to this, I am not even feeling confident voting. A poll such as this makes it hard for me to make a sincere contribution, while polls like "Do you look forward to patch X" is much easier to vote for/against, because it solely relates to anticipation of what is to come, where I can look forward to some change in mechanic, added content or similar without having any prior knowledge of how it will pan out.

A factual assessment of the situation is not really needed to vote.

Only a personal perception.

 

And for WG the perception of the game might be more important than how it is in some kind of reality.

 

If the general perception is that WoT is very unbalanced tank wise, while stats shows it is balanced. That is still a big issue for WG. And a larger one then if the game was perceived as balanced while stats showed unbalance.

 

The basis for my selection is.

 

T10: 18 months ago, the current E5 with a stronger cupola was considered an OP tank like very OP, the best T10 tank by far, at the time. Tank curves showed a slight over performance, so the general argument for it being OP was that it was highly used in T10 strongholds and CW.

Compare to now, and I know what I prefer tank balance wise.

 

T9: similar to now, except that the current OP T9 tank in the T95 was very slow back then, so it wasn't OP. But in general, o nay slight changes. So pretty similar.

 

T8: 18 months ago, the IS-3 AND the IS-6(!!!!!!!!) where considered the strongest, and also OP T8 tanks. These 2 tanks have been unchanged since then, just like most T8 tanks (exception of T-44 and T-44-100 I think). Nowdays, IS-3 is good and IS-6 is weak.

Release of VK100P, Defender, Patriot, Liberte, Skorpion G is the reason.

Compare to now, I know what I prefer.

 

T7: No change really, T29 was best and still is.

T6: No change.

T5: No change.






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