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vixu #1 Posted 11 February 2018 - 06:09 PM

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Recently the gold spam at 8+ tiers became pretty annoying. Not because of losses, but because of need to pay for the repairs. So, I have couple of proposals that would make the gaming experience of better. 

1) I'd really love to see the statistics of how much prem rounds a certain player used in the battle and overall counts. We've all seen the discussions of how using gold only when required is a skill. For me it would be interesting to see the actual usage. Somehow situations when teir 10 medium unloads 4 prem heats at the side of my isu-152 are way too common. At least it would be good to know, how prem usage correlates with the w/r. 
2) Imho, game economics should compensate repair costs to the players that got hit with the prem ammo. 

K_A #2 Posted 11 February 2018 - 06:15 PM

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You need to pay the same repairs regardless of who damages you, so I don't get your point. If that tier 10 med had been firing APCR he still would've penned you and you still would've had to pay the same repair bill.

 

Now to address your "points",

1) Sounds useless. Just use the correct ammo for the correct situation and ignore everyone else. If someone is wasting credits spamming HEAT at light tanks it's his problem.

2) This would accomplish nothing except encourage even more people to play the Derp 5 Heavy and the all-new Obj "haha you can't pen me even with HEAT" v4.



arthurwellsley #3 Posted 11 February 2018 - 06:21 PM

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View Postvixu, on 11 February 2018 - 05:09 PM, said:

Recently the gold spam at 8+ tiers = might or might not exist. Proof? or is this just your "feels"?

1) I'd really love to see the statistics of how much prem rounds a certain player used in the battle and overall counts. We've all seen the discussions of how using gold only when required is a skill. For me it would be interesting to see the actual usage.  = No would probably just encourage it if it actually exists. Plus it would make the Dingers smug.
 
Somehow situations when teir 10 medium unloads 4 prem heats at the side of my isu-152 are way too common = replays or it never happened. You are aware that many tier X mediums have APCR as their standard round?

2) Imho, game economics should compensate repair costs to the players that got hit with the prem ammo. = No. Tier VI need to use 2 key against tier VIII, and tier VI is a great tier generally for making good silver credits per match.

 



Homer_J #4 Posted 11 February 2018 - 06:30 PM

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View Postvixu, on 11 February 2018 - 05:09 PM, said:


1) I'd really love to see the statistics of how much prem rounds a certain player used in the battle and overall counts.

YES!  Finally something the Dingers can win at. :justwait:



K_A #5 Posted 11 February 2018 - 06:31 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 11 February 2018 - 05:30 PM, said:

YES!  Finally something the Dingers can win at. :justwait:

 

Imagine the Hall of Fame leaderboards :B

Edited by K_A, 11 February 2018 - 06:31 PM.


Ziurawka #6 Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:07 PM

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This is all very well but how do we help achieve the company's goal this way?

How does this increase gold spam?



Homer_J #7 Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:14 PM

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View PostZiurawka, on 11 February 2018 - 06:07 PM, said:

This is all very well but how do we help achieve the company's goal this way?

How does this increase gold spam?

 

People will want to be top of the gold leaderboard of course. :medal:

AliceUnchained #8 Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:14 PM

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Next pointless, ill-thought out thread about this subject... Moderators should just auto-lock them, and remove ability to create threads from those who did for at least a month.

Edited by AliceUnchained, 11 February 2018 - 09:34 PM.


kaneloon #9 Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:19 PM

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Just lower the xp given by gold ammo damage.

 

That should calm the "because they exists and I have money" "stfu noob" "why should I bounce" players.

 

Plus it would be logical : less difficulty = less XP.



AliceUnchained #10 Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:24 PM

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View Postkaneloon, on 11 February 2018 - 07:19 PM, said:

Plus it would be logical : less difficulty = less XP.

 

Let's reduce XP gain for all those PoS vehicles as well then shall we?



Desyatnik_Pansy #11 Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:30 PM

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View Postvixu, on 11 February 2018 - 05:09 PM, said:

Somehow situations when teir 10 medium unloads 4 prem heats at the side of my isu-152 are way too common

 

And this is a problem.. how? They'll pen you with standard anyway. It's like if I were to complain about an IS-3 Firing APCR At my Hellcat, he's going to pen anyway, the only loss is his own credits.



AliceUnchained #12 Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:33 PM

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 11 February 2018 - 07:30 PM, said:

And this is a problem.. how? They'll pen you with standard anyway. It's like if I were to complain about an IS-3 Firing APCR At my Hellcat, he's going to pen anyway, the only loss is his own credits.

 

I'd much, much rather have that IS-3 fire APCR than HE were I to be in a Hellcat...



Noo_Noo #13 Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:37 PM

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View Postkaneloon, on 11 February 2018 - 07:19 PM, said:

Just lower the xp given by gold ammo damage.

 

That should calm the "because they exists and I have money" "stfu noob" "why should I bounce" players.

 

Plus it would be logical : less difficulty = less XP.

 

Completely illogical when there are tanks in the game that need premium ammo simply to damage them full stop. In some cases even that is not enough. People also forget that people earn far less when firing premium ammo. 

 

The level of comprehension with regard to this subject is quite honestly astounding. 

 

View PostAliceUnchained, on 11 February 2018 - 07:24 PM, said:

 

Let's reduce XP gain for all those PoS vehicles as well then shall we?

 

Yes , Type 5 should get a XP nerf on the basis of being a Type 5, Same with the OBj 268 v4, Vk100.01, Type 4, Obj 257, Obj430U, Defender just to name a few

Aikl #14 Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:38 PM

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Doubt there's a simple solution outside of a total rework of armour, weakspots and penetration. Wargaming needs higher tiers as credit sinks. Premium ammo is the price to pay if you want to be competitive. A 'git gud' tax, sort of. One could argue that it makes low-effort gameplay cheaper (though still not cheap), while trying hard is more expensive. Kind of balances out how more dedicated players do better when grinding credits, of course.

 

The most 'classic' one, nerfing the damage of premium ammo, would sort of make sense if hitpoints were adjusted too, in particular for tanks suspectible to premium ammo. That would make ammo more of a tactical choice. Ammo cost might need adjustment too (roughly proportional increase/decrease for standard/premium respectively). Alas this also comes with flaws, since you can't nerf premium tanks - though this would hardly be the first time premium tanks kept a feature that was nerfed in all other tanks ('old' premium TDs kept their camo while firing while all others got nerfed).

 

View PostAliceUnchained, on 11 February 2018 - 06:14 PM, said:

Next pointless, ill-thought out thread about this subject... Moderators should just auto-lack them, and remove ability to create threads from those who did for at least a month.
 

 

I can recommend one of the following options:

  • Derailing the thread with off-topic spam.
  • Thoroughly dismantling OP's arguments and suggestions with a huge wall of text.
  • Derailing the thread with ideas that are known to cause enormous uprage. Like claiming that the Type 5 is working fine and ...whatever. You know the deal.

Edited by Aikl, 11 February 2018 - 07:42 PM.


vasilinhorulezz #15 Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:40 PM

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1) No.

2) Still No.

He penned my tanks side with premium rounds, :arta::arta:

grow up, he would still pen you with normal rounds, 

he just paid 4 times more to do so.

Man up and go cry somewhere else.



sgtYester #16 Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:44 PM

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 11 February 2018 - 07:30 PM, said:

 

And this is a problem.. how? They'll pen you with standard anyway. It's like if I were to complain about an IS-3 Firing APCR At my Hellcat, he's going to pen anyway, the only loss is his own credits.

 

its a "problem" that some wn8 *edited *only load gold to get/stay in the purple "zone" cause they have no skill but p2w ammo lets them feel all warm and fuzzy inside tnx to p2pen ammo

 

no other game i knwo has this p2w in the game cause its bad for balance.  and it does not matter if u pay real money or credits... u still pay more to get much better win/pen/survival rating

 

p2w ammo should be removed and tanks balanced around normal shells.

 

only problem is how wg will make their money then since p2w ammo requires prem account /prem tanks.

 

p2w ammo is just another broken mechanic, just like arty


Edited by NickMustaine, 15 February 2018 - 11:18 AM.
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Noo_Noo #17 Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:46 PM

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The only logical suggestion I can honestly come up with is to give standard and premium ammo the same penetration levels on a given tank and really rework the ammo to make each more situational. They should also be the same price. 

 

Then rework armour round this template. 

 

Finally as this is fundamentally about credits expect your repair kist to cost 10,000 credits and other such things to make the credit draw in any game the same. 

 

But sadly such and idea is several years too late I think. We've fallen too far down the premium ammo rabbit hole



Noo_Noo #18 Posted 11 February 2018 - 07:47 PM

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View PostsgtYester, on 11 February 2018 - 07:44 PM, said:

 

its a "problem" that some wn8 noobs only load gold to get/stay in the purple "zone" cause they have no skill but p2w ammo lets them feel all warm and fuzzy inside tnx to p2pen ammo

 

no other game i knwo has this p2w in the game cause its bad for balance.  and it does not matter if u pay real money or credits... u still pay more to get much better win/pen/survival rating

 

I think you'll find that it doesn't make that bigger difference. 

AliceUnchained #19 Posted 11 February 2018 - 08:39 PM

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View PostNoo_Noo, on 11 February 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

 

I think you'll find that it doesn't make that bigger difference. 

 

Edited.

 

Edit: Note to Self: Calling others 'noobs' is fine, making a word play on a name is disrespectful...


Edited by AliceUnchained, 13 February 2018 - 06:08 PM.
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Noo_Noo #20 Posted 11 February 2018 - 09:05 PM

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 11 February 2018 - 08:39 PM, said:

 

Edited

 

Yes i thought so. Thanks for the heads up regardless. 


Am I right in thinking that this poster refused to try Brumbarrs gold challenge after moaning about premium ammo in another thread?

 

I do wish there was a better understanding of this issue. Sigh........:(


Edited by Asklepi0s, 13 February 2018 - 04:44 PM.





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