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BicRazor #1 Posted 12 February 2018 - 07:44 PM

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These are Premium rounds and I usually just take 8-10 with me in my Charioteer.

Every time I use these rounds and pen I only ever do 16 damage not the damage that it should be doing 360-600.

Dev's could you please check this.

I have played many games now and am never using these premium rounds anymore as the standard rounds do far more damage.

I can't see why I would spend gold to do only 16 damage.



Squirting_Elephant #2 Posted 12 February 2018 - 07:49 PM

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Because those are HEAT rounds with only 210 pen. They likely don't penetrate and thus only do some minor HE damage on the outer parts of tanks. Working as intended.

 

You should only use them vs weak targets.


Edited by Squirting_Elephant, 12 February 2018 - 07:49 PM.


Thuis001 #3 Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:17 PM

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eh, yeah, you might wanna take a look at where you're shooting at tbh. It is HE at the end of the day so spaced armor will cause it to detonate.

8126Jakobsson #4 Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:37 PM

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My Charioteer HESH rounds are not working either. Must be a bad batch. 

Hotwired #5 Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:41 PM

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105mm HESH is an incredibly rare thing. It's a fair premium round.
 

Regular 105mm HE shell @ high tier: 480 damage,  53 pen

British 105mm HESH: 480 damage, 105mm pen

British premium 105mm HESH: 480 damage, 210mm pen

 

Thats double or quadruple the pen value of the normal 105mm HE.

 

But 210mm pen is still nothing special. The basic round on the L7 has 268mm pen.

 

So unlike the vast majority of the premium tank shells in the game, you pay to have less penetration and more damage.

 

You're probably used to paying for premium shells for extra penetration and no penalty but those two British tanks do not let you do that.

 

You do not use the 105mm HESH shells normally, they are still "small" HE shells and will do almost nothing if they don't pen or hit spaced armour like tracks.

 

Instead you load them if you're sure you can hit clean armour which is less than 210mm thick or if you're planning to flank for a side/rear shot or you know the enemy is driving a bunch of paper bags like BC or virtually every light tank.



TheWarrener #6 Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:42 PM

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25k battles and you have no idea how this game works

vasilinhorulezz #7 Posted 12 February 2018 - 08:58 PM

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When you shoot HE, a damaging hit will always count as a penetrating hit, even if it didn't actually penetrate the armor, even if it only did track damage.

Also HE regardless of penetration will explode on the armor that they hit, if it is spaced they will explode on the outer armor, and will do half damage than 

the actual damage of the shell, and it will be reduced depending on the armor thickness of the target.

 


Edited by vasilinhorulezz, 12 February 2018 - 08:58 PM.


geoff99 #8 Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:07 PM

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I agree with the OP; the hesh rounds are disappointing and rarely penetrate even when you think they should do so comfortably ie vs arty.

I carry a few just in case but don't use them.

NUKLEAR_SLUG #9 Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:18 PM

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If you're not penning an arty with 210 pen then you missed.

K_A #10 Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:33 PM

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OP is a fine example why spamming premium ammo won't turn an average player into a unicum. You'll at least need to know what type of ammo you're shooting and what it does when it hits stuff first.

_Sensation_ #11 Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:39 PM

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Just stfu? How many charioteers do we see on the battlefield? And how many type 4's and 5's? Now you tell me which one is broken and which one we should pay attention too to actually balance?

Junglist_ #12 Posted 12 February 2018 - 09:44 PM

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View PostTheWarrener, on 12 February 2018 - 07:42 PM, said:

25k battles and you have no idea how this game works

 

And a beta tester on top of that who has no idea how HERSH works lol

Long_Range_Sniper #13 Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:09 PM

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You need to understand what the SH part of HESH means.

BicRazor #14 Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:33 PM

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View PostK_A, on 12 February 2018 - 08:33 PM, said:

OP is a fine example why spamming premium ammo won't turn an average player into a unicum. You'll at least need to know what type of ammo you're shooting and what it does when it hits stuff first.

 

What? lol. How am I spamming premium? I have like 24 standard rounds and 8 premium and only use less than a handful  on targets like grill and light tanks.In those few uses like hitting the side of a grill I can never get a pen according to guys above.Hence why I asked if there was an issue with it penning.

 



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View PostBicRazor, on 12 February 2018 - 09:33 PM, said:

 

What? lol. How am I spamming premium? I have like 24 standard rounds and 8 premium and only use less than a handful  on targets like grill and light tanks.In those few uses like hitting the side of a grill I can never get a pen according to guys above.Hence why I asked if there was an issue with it penning.

 

 

I wasn't saying you yourself spam premium at everything. I'm saying you are an average player and still you clearly have rather significant gaps in your knowledge of some battle mechanics, so even if you DID spam premium all day every day you wouldn't really get any better simply by doing that. I'm not saying having gaps is a bad thing, and what's good is you came here to ask what is wrong and what you don't know yet. What matters is learning how things happen and why.

 

HESH in this game is, in essence, 100% the same as regular HE shells, they simply have higher than usual penetration values. When they hit something, they act like an HE shell, if it pens it does full damage and wrecks modules on the way but if it doesn't, you only get a portion of the damage done, and with a relatively low caliber shell that damage will be very little.


Edited by K_A, 12 February 2018 - 10:43 PM.


BicRazor #16 Posted 12 February 2018 - 10:46 PM

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View PostK_A, on 12 February 2018 - 08:33 PM, said:

OP is a fine example why spamming premium ammo won't turn an average player into a unicum. You'll at least need to know what type of ammo you're shooting and what it does when it hits stuff first.

 

What? lol. How am I spamming premium? I have like 24 standard rounds and 8 premium and only use less than a handful  on targets like grill and light tanks.In those few uses like hitting the side of a grill I can never get a pen according to guys above.Hence why I asked if there was an issue with it penning.

View PostJunglist_, on 12 February 2018 - 08:44 PM, said:

 

And a beta tester on top of that who has no idea how HERSH works lol

 

Lol how do you make such an assumption with such little information?

 

All I asked was for Dev's to check out if the ammo was working correctly on Charioteer.I didn't mention anything about what I was shooting.

Seriously you expect this Hesh round to pen the side of a Grill or a T-49 and when you see 16 damage over and over you have to wonder if the penetration values are working.That's all.Maybe I've just been unlucky as I said I only use them on and off.



German_Dunc #17 Posted 12 February 2018 - 11:23 PM

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Prem HESH is fine, you just need to know when to use it, and where to aim. Yes, it'll troll you sometimes, but when used to correctly it turns the L7 into a monster gun.

 

I run a lot of HESH in the 7/1, and will happily fire nothing but some games. As a general rule of thumb, first round is HESH for the inevitable yolo LT - if you don't pen for 500+, then you'll usually track and get the assist. Then it's HESH if I'm sniping and there's a lot of  thin skin TDs in play, or I'm going to be facing meds, or 8s and 7s - very few meds have hull armour above 200 frontally, and stuff like Batchats really react badly to it. APCR goes up the spout when facing HTs, or higher tier meds. 

 

Stress again, the trick to HESH is patience - wait for the shot to be perfect, and aim for big flat areas like the shield on TDs like WTs, or sides of turrets. Never aim for hull sides unless you're sure of hitting the hull and not the tracks. LFPs otherwise. 

 

Job's a good 'un

 

 


Edited by German_Dunc, 12 February 2018 - 11:24 PM.





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