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Belgalisk #1 Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:15 PM

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So I was wondering how these new Russian tanks fare in patch 9.22, and indeed, the patch seems have very satisfyingly created the game environment so desired by Wargaming: World of Russian tanks!

 

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Well, my premium account, which had been going since that fun Christmas event, expired last Saturday. I'll keep it that way, until other nations are allowed their competitive tanks as well... One less milk cow on the EU server until that happens!



8126Jakobsson #2 Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:22 PM

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Funny how the 268 v.4 already have a larger sample size than the IS-5. :D

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While many of these tanks are strong, statistics for new tanks are skewed for multiple obvious reasons. That includes small sample size, being played by good players and being unfamiliar to most.

That comes in addition to that stats page being based, IIRC, on voluntarily submitting data. Guess what kind of player wants to track their stays the most?

Bonus question: Guess what happens when an idiot makes unsubstantiated claims. It ruins the whole argument of these tanks being broken. Not that forum feedback counts, but if you want to argue against these tanks you're doing yourself a disfavour.

ZlatanArKung #4 Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:32 PM

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And the tanks in front are
Obj 907 (reward tank and thus played by better players).
VK 72.02 (reward tank).
430 (small sample, so non reliable)
705 (small sample, so non reliable)
Obj 260 (kind of reward tank, only better players have it).

And then it is.
Obj 268 v4.


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The more experienced and better players get the new tanks first, so the WR will be distorted in the tanks favour, soon when the other players finish their grinds the stats for those tanks will go down. It happened to the OP Super Conqueror, the Badger, and now were are seeing it with the new Russian tanks, it won't last.

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But once people learn the weakspots and average players get them it will turn out the tanks are actually mediocre!!!!!11111!!!

 

Kinda like that happened with maus or t95 or vk1001p!!!! (except those tanks WRs never dropped after they got overbuffed and mauses WR dropped only after the nerf :XD)



Balc0ra #7 Posted 13 February 2018 - 01:44 PM

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Reading stats on the first patch is never a solid indication. Because all the good players are swarming to them too, not just your average or the tomatoes. Who do you think is playing the 705? Unicorns, CC's and good players with lots o free XP to get them unlocked fast. Tomatoes have not gotten to it yet, as they are still grinding the IS. Same reason why the CW reward tanks are on top. Not many tomatoes own those either. Or the tier 9 430. Not seen a single tomato drive it yet.

 

That and most players don't know how to deal with most of them yet. I've seen 250 pen gun still go for the tracks on the 257 vs the 150 mm side higher up flat on. Or that everyone goes for the 340 effective lower plate on the new TD as that's a common weakspot on other tanks. As most don't know the upper plate is easy pen for most on flat ground.

 

Happens every patch. Swedish HT's and TD's was the same as all the good player did free XP up the line. Next patch the tomatoes did catch up and the stats did fall fast.


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View Post250swb, on 13 February 2018 - 01:33 PM, said:

The more experienced and better players get the new tanks first, so the WR will be distorted in the tanks favour, soon when the other players finish their grinds the stats for those tanks will go down. It happened to the OP Super Conqueror, the Badger, and now were are seeing it with the new Russian tanks, it won't last.

 

 

I'd say that's true for new country lines, but for old established routes in theory even the baddest worst bot player would have the ability to get their hands quickly on tech tree tanks.



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View PostDru_UK, on 13 February 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

 

 

I'd say that's true for new country lines, but for old established routes in theory even the baddest worst bot player would have the ability to get their hands quickly on tech tree tanks.

 

True, but changes makes them spike in popularity and attracts more players to it. And the 263 line was never popular to begin with, as pr the reason for the changes. Nor was the 430 among tomatoes before. T-10 on the other hand has been for ages. And so the 257 is in everyone's hands. The new tier X TD and the new meds less so going by what I've seen so far. So on most of those, it's mostly a return of good players. As most of the bad and average players are now grinding them based on current hype as pr the norm.

Kirk_Helmet #10 Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:09 PM

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It's way too soon to discuss the win rates after 0.9.22 - wait a month or two and let's discuss them then.

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Lohend #11 Posted 13 February 2018 - 02:54 PM

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Regular new power creep tanks on top, nothing to see here...

...all i'm amazed is "T95 on 10th place" way to go old girl !!!!:great:

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View PostLohend, on 13 February 2018 - 02:54 PM, said:

...all i'm amazed is "T95 on 10th place" way to go old girl !!!!:great:

 

That is because the T95 is OP these days, the massively buffed it's only weak point, mobility, so it was pretty inevitable the tank would perform too well. 



TheWarrener #13 Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:15 PM

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Why do people say things like OMG RUSSIAN BIAS CONTINUES lol. This patch brought first russian-bias content since defender

Aikl #14 Posted 13 February 2018 - 03:19 PM

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Edit: Damnit, phone.

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View PostSimeon85, on 13 February 2018 - 05:02 PM, said:

 

That is because the T95 is OP these days, the massively buffed it's only weak point, mobility, so it was pretty inevitable the tank would perform too well. 

 

Well its OP only against lemmings, its still not like something to get back to decap after crossing the mid map line (low skill cap tank). IMHO T95 might only be OP because people have been spoiled (...by gold ammo/auto-pen everything ammo). Back in the days people actually had to learn weak spots, when a tank tier 8+ tank had below 250mm pen it was not considered UP automatically.
Same goes for Obj.268V4, "It has sub-bar gun so its not OP, it not has 300+ regular pen/750 dmg so its pointless!!! No grind ever!!!". Back in the day tanks had both negative and positive sides. Now all new tanks must have it all or they are instantly themed unworthy.
At current state of game balance is through out of the window because of topics like "Scorpion need pen buff" "HE shell caused dmg to me, nerf now!" "My IS7 has less gun depression than M48, buff my IS7".

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View PostAikl, on 13 February 2018 - 12:32 PM, said:

While many of these tanks are strong, statistics for new tanks are skewed for multiple obvious reasons. That includes small sample size, being played by good players and being unfamiliar to most.

That comes in addition to that stats page being based, IIRC, on voluntarily submitting data. Guess what kind of player wants to track their stays the most?

Bonus question: Guess what happens when an idiot makes unsubstantiated claims. It ruins the whole argument of these tanks being broken. Not that forum feedback counts, but if you want to argue against these tanks you're doing yourself a disfavour.

 

Yes and no, the 430U and 268V4 were given to anyone who owned the old T10 tanks so also bad players.

 

For the new heavy tank line, yes you are right.

 

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View PostTheWarrener, on 13 February 2018 - 02:15 PM, said:

Why do people say things like OMG RUSSIAN BIAS CONTINUES lol. This patch brought first russian-bias content since defender

 

Yeah buffing 907, obj140  was not a thing at all lol. Same for buffing t44, t54mod1 before. 
 

View PostLohend, on 13 February 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

 

Well its OP only against lemmings, its still not like something to get back to decap after crossing the mid map line (low skill cap tank). IMHO T95 might only be OP because people have been spoiled (...by gold ammo/auto-pen everything ammo). Back in the days people actually had to learn weak spots, when a tank tier 8+ tank had below 250mm pen it was not considered UP automatically.
Same goes for Obj.268V4, "It has sub-bar gun so its not OP, it not has 300+ regular pen/750 dmg so its pointless!!! No grind ever!!!". Back in the day tanks had both negative and positive sides. Now all new tanks must have it all or they are instantly themed unworthy.
At current state of game balance is through out of the window because of topics like "Scorpion need pen buff" "HE shell caused dmg to me, nerf now!" "My IS7 has less gun depression than M48, buff my IS7".

 

You are wrong about t95. Yeah a good player will outplay it 1 vs 1 but it's not a 1 vs 1 tank. A t95 can kill//hold up the other flank and even if you win your engagement it will win its flank faster than you. It not only has super armor but also camo, alpha and pen. 
 

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View PostBelgalisk, on 13 February 2018 - 01:15 PM, said:

So I was wondering how these new Russian tanks fare in patch 9.22, and indeed, the patch seems have very satisfyingly created the game environment so desired by Wargaming: World of Russian tanks!

One of those tanks is American, one is German, three have small data sets so can be ignored that leaves five tanks.  It makes sense that the top five performing tanks would be Russian when they (IIRC) have more tanks than any other playable nation.



The_Georgian_One #19 Posted 13 February 2018 - 05:53 PM

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I have 100% win rate in 257 and 268v4 after circa 10 battles in each. Go figure... 

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View PostLohend, on 13 February 2018 - 03:19 PM, said:

 

Well its OP only against lemmings, its still not like something to get back to decap after crossing the mid map line (low skill cap tank). IMHO T95 might only be OP because people have been spoiled (...by gold ammo/auto-pen everything ammo). Back in the days people actually had to learn weak spots, when a tank tier 8+ tank had below 250mm pen it was not considered UP automatically.
Same goes for Obj.268V4, "It has sub-bar gun so its not OP, it not has 300+ regular pen/750 dmg so its pointless!!! No grind ever!!!". Back in the day tanks had both negative and positive sides. Now all new tanks must have it all or they are instantly themed unworthy.
At current state of game balance is through out of the window because of topics like "Scorpion need pen buff" "HE shell caused dmg to me, nerf now!" "My IS7 has less gun depression than M48, buff my IS7".

 

No it's just OP OP, it used to be severely hampered by it's mobility often struggling to get into positions to support the team, easily circled etc. It's armour and gun have always been top notch for tier 9, it has always been one of the toughest tanks to face frontally and hit for 750 alpha, but that was all fine because you had to pay for it with terrible mobility, if even a semi-fast heavy got close in they could circle you with ease and due to the slow speed the T95 often got isolated.

 

Now they buffed every aspect of it's mobility, it relocates faster, gets into battle faster, is able to block key points because it actually gets to them and it turns faster. So you have tank with excellent armour, a very good gun, top camo and now acceptable mobility. Add in corridor meta you have a broken and OP tank that basically requires the ability to press W and right click/left click to have a decent game. 

 

The 268 v4 takes it even further, it has the same load gold or get lost frontal armour, the big gun that is able to auto-aim pen many tanks, but they added medium speed and gun handling to it as well. 

 

As soon as you take away genuine frontal weakspots from a tank it automatically becomes very easy to play, if you add in top firepower and the mobility isn't crippled you have a problematic tank because these vehicles can just drive at people and there is a very low chance of them taking damage, making them absurdly simple to play and far to forgiving. 






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