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Noo_Noo #1 Posted 13 February 2018 - 04:33 PM

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in before the lock

 

Anyone think that it's actually got worse than it was previously? I do. 

 

I honestly didn't think it was possible but this is a whole new level of "WTF"

 

Ah well lets see how long this thread last before being closed for "not being constructive". 



TJ72 #2 Posted 13 February 2018 - 04:36 PM

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Personally think its the best iteration of matchmaking we have had as yet.

Worst case scenario you have 3 tanks +2 and 5 at +1 - Not a problem imho.

 

Of course this will always be a problem for those who want to be top tier every game.

 



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Well I mean, 190 pen against Obj. 268 4. What can I do? I'm dead before I've had time to even roll on my side and accept my fate. 

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View PostNoo_Noo, on 13 February 2018 - 04:33 PM, said:

in before the lock

 

Anyone think that it's actually got worse than it was previously? I do. 

 

I honestly didn't think it was possible but this is a whole new level of "WTF"

 

Ah well lets see how long this thread last before being closed for "not being constructive". 

 

Can you elaborate on this? What do you mean by worse than it was and the new level of "WTF"? Becasue to be honest there is not much anyone could reffer to in your post and therefore it is "not being constructive" so far.

Give some explanation.



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View PostNoo_Noo, on 13 February 2018 - 03:33 PM, said:

in before the lock

 

Anyone think that it's actually got worse than it was previously? I do. 

 

I honestly didn't think it was possible but this is a whole new level of "WTF"

 

Ah well lets see how long this thread last before being closed for "not being constructive". 

 

http://forum.worldof...ssion-thread/   <-pointless since you can't read and just wanted attention by starting your own thread, grats son you got some attention, hope it tides you over for a few days.

Edited by Shivva, 13 February 2018 - 04:43 PM.


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View PostSfinski, on 13 February 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

Well I mean, 190 pen against Obj. 268 4. What can I do? I'm dead before I've had time to even roll on my side and accept my fate. 

 

Git gud and flank 

 

Srsly though...whoever had the idea to "rebalance" the top tiers should have to play the worst tier 8 tank as the only tier 8 tank agaisnt tier 10s for a week non stop. Tier 8 is already badly balanced thatnks to the recent abominations and the superheavy tanks. Now tier 9 and 10 is even more detached from the normal game with their power difference to tier 8 and below. The only thing they do is introduce broken tanks to a tier then buff the tier below to compensate...then buff the tier below that to compensate until they reach the bottom then buff the top again and repeat the process instead of growing some balls and rebalance all tanks including premium tanks for the sake of the game. 


Edited by Enforcer1975, 13 February 2018 - 04:49 PM.


Jotneblod #7 Posted 13 February 2018 - 04:52 PM

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Personally the only difference in 9.22 matchmaking I've noticed that I almost only get Standard battles, so it's yet another "fix" that puts more godawful maps into my rotation. I wish they made Standard an optional game mode.

 

View PostTJ72, on 13 February 2018 - 04:36 PM, said:

Personally think its the best iteration of matchmaking we have had as yet.

Worst case scenario you have 3 tanks +2 and 5 at +1 - Not a problem imho.

 

Of course this will always be a problem for those who want to be top tier every game.

 

Yes, it's only a problem for the players who want to contribute. The ones who think that being an underpowered bottom tier that can't initiate any plays and that has no carry potential is super fun, see no problem. The problems start when you don't want to rely on the HE shooting bot in his E100 to play a decisive role in the battle and carry you. Until then, it's all good.


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View PostKirk_Helmet, on 13 February 2018 - 04:39 PM, said:

 

Can you elaborate on this? What do you mean by worse than it was and the new level of "WTF"? Becasue to be honest there is not much anyone could reffer to in your post and therefore it is "not being constructive" so far.

Give some explanation.

 

I bet a mod would :playing:

 

No actually you're right. It's not so much the MM getting worse but the sudden influx of OP tanks into tiers 9 and 10. I feel its left Tier 8 even more in the dust. Yes I'm having a bad day but trying to play a T44 right now is quite brutal. I dont want to sound like its a whine, more of an observation if anything. 

 

100% support role and try to nip a few heels here and there. 

It is not very pleasant at all. 



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Well definitely - the amount of tier 10 and 9 vehicles compared to tier 6 and 7 ones - the tier 8 tanks get to see nowadays might be frustrating.

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View PostJotneblod, on 13 February 2018 - 04:52 PM, said:

Personally the only difference in 9.22 matchmaking I've noticed that I almost only get Standard battles, so it's yet another "fix" that puts more godawful maps into my rotation. I wish they made Standard an optional game mode.

 

 

Yes, it's only a problem for the players who want to contribute. The ones who think that being an underpowered bottom tier that can't initiate any plays and that has no carry potential is super fun, see no problem. The problems start when you don't want to rely on the HE shooting bot in his E100 to play a decisive role in the battle and carry you. Until then, it's all good.

 

That's exactly it I think. 

 

Its become very much a support role with very little ability to carry the game late on unless you get lucky with the tanks that are left and their remaining HP. 



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View PostTJ72, on 13 February 2018 - 04:36 PM, said:

Of course this will always be a problem for those who want to be top tier every game.

 

Or top tier at least one in 10 games...

Noo_Noo #12 Posted 13 February 2018 - 06:07 PM

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View PostTankkiPoju, on 13 February 2018 - 06:04 PM, said:

 

Or top tier at least one in 10 games...

 

or even 1 in 20!

 

Actually i dont mind being bottom tier provided I can contribute and do some damage of my own. Not the case today


Edited by Noo_Noo, 13 February 2018 - 06:08 PM.


Danbob35 #13 Posted 13 February 2018 - 06:21 PM

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I dont get why MM needs a 3 tier spread, why not limit it to 2 only and have strict bands, with any tank you play having a chance to enter a game either top or bottom tier (tierX excluded)

 

like this: 10v10

              9v10

              9v8

              8v7

              7v6

              6v5.................2v1

                                     1v1

 

I dont know what the wait times per game would be in this scenario but I bet it would be worth waiting rather than getting ROFLStomped through lousy MM.

Even if you were mega unlucky and got a string of games as lower tier at least your only fighting 1 tier up.



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View PostDanbob35, on 13 February 2018 - 06:21 PM, said:

I dont get why MM needs a 3 tier spread, why not limit it to 2 only and have strict bands, with any tank you play having a chance to enter a game either top or bottom tier (tierX excluded)

 

like this: 10v10

              9v10

              9v8

              8v7

              7v6

              6v5.................2v1

                                     1v1

 

I dont know what the wait times per game would be in this scenario but I bet it would be worth waiting rather than getting ROFLStomped through lousy MM.

Even if you were mega unlucky and got a string of games as lower tier at least your only fighting 1 tier up.

 

i think the way I feel right now its as if the gaps between tiers 8 and above are widening. I think someone else said similar above and I tend to agree with them

 

But like I said I'm not having the best of days so that is certainly not helping my outlook. 



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View PostDanbob35, on 13 February 2018 - 06:21 PM, said:

I dont get why MM needs a 3 tier spread, why not limit it to 2 only and have strict bands, with any tank you play having a chance to enter a game either top or bottom tier (tierX excluded)

 

The matchmaker doesn't need it. The 3 tier spread is there to dumb down the gameplay, limit the value of skill, encourage gold spamming and to give lazy bots good games without having to learn anything. It also encourages players to grind to tier 10 so they can get rid of it, only to find out that tier 10 is a credit sink and that they can't afford it.

 

It was also mentioned in a Q&A some months ago that the matchmaker finds it easier to construct a +1/-1 game than a +2/-2 and the waiting times would be shorter. This is also why there were so many +1/-1 and +/-0 games in 9.18 and Wargaming "had to" change the system in 9.19 to prioritize the 3-5-7 template above all else.

 

The "longer waiting times" is just like the other common arguments like "it adds variety", "adds challenge" or "it fixes OP tanks", an absolute pile of [edited] with no substance.


Edited by Jotneblod, 13 February 2018 - 07:03 PM.


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Guess you hit the nail on the head, who cares about balancing the MM when people will buy a crap load of gold ammo to get their bottom tier tank even remotely competitive.

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View PostTJ72, on 13 February 2018 - 04:36 PM, said:

Personally think its the best iteration of matchmaking we have had as yet.

Worst case scenario you have 3 tanks +2 and 5 at +1 - Not a problem imho.

 

Of course this will always be a problem for those who want to be top tier every game.

 

 

people dont want to be top every battle, they just want an even spread between top, middle, same, bottom, and not the 60%+ bottom tier that it currently is.

Noo_Noo #18 Posted 13 February 2018 - 08:14 PM

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View PostDanbob35, on 13 February 2018 - 07:09 PM, said:

Guess you hit the nail on the head, who cares about balancing the MM when people will buy a crap load of gold ammo to get their bottom tier tank even remotely competitive.

 

True. I dont mind using premium ammo if the situation demands it but today was most certainly a credit loss day. 

Poor results, poor play, poor damage stats, and certainly more premium ammo than normal just to try and stay in the game but being constantly bullied was not a nice experience. 

Oh well, perhaps tomorrow will be different

 



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View PostTJ72, on 13 February 2018 - 04:36 PM, said:

Personally think its the best iteration of matchmaking we have had as yet.

Worst case scenario you have 3 tanks +2 and 5 at +1 - Not a problem imho.

 

Of course this will always be a problem for those who want to be top tier every game.

 

Its not that beinga tier 8 playing against a few tier 9s is so bad, its that u never see tier 6.






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