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Poll: Is the AT-* now a little op for its tier? (36 members have cast votes)

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Has the AT-8 become a little to OP

  1. Yes (9 votes [21.43%])

    Percentage of vote: 21.43%

  2. No (19 votes [45.24%])

    Percentage of vote: 45.24%

  3. Good where it is (14 votes [33.33%])

    Percentage of vote: 33.33%

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Warhawk1984 #1 Posted 14 February 2018 - 08:29 AM

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I played the AT-8 a few months ago trying to work up that tech tree line and quit almost immediately it was slow its armor was basically painted tinfoil its gun while fast had serious alpha issues. Since then it has had a decent buff to its armor but i ask is the armor buff just a bit to much?

 

This is the current armor layout of the AT-8 as we can see frontally its a beast 203mm of frontal armor at tier 6 and the parts that are not 203mm on the front is heavily slopped making this thing extremely difficult for a lot of tier 8's to pen frontally let alone tier 6's and when your sitting on top with 8+ tier 4's on the other team on a corridor map you are all but invincible. Yes the At-8 still has its odd draw backs it is amazingly slow which has on a few occasions meant the battle is over before you even arrive and the alpha still sucks but the alpha really means very little now back with the old armor playing peak-a-boo was a no no in this tank destroyer you would hit them for around 200 and they would hit you back for 400 and it would almost always pen, now you can take as long as you want just played a battle where i got steel wall on ensk and your probably things so what we all get steal wall occasionally thing is this felt different i bounce 15 shot from a hell cat 8 from a black prince 2 from a t29 and 7 from a tiger 1 and finished the battle with 500 hp still that is effectively blocking 6980 damage in a tier 6 i would be happy with that in a tier 10 super heavy (i am assuming the tiger wasn't full upgraded as the pen on the tigers top gun is 203 mm and law of averages stats he would have penned approximately +/-50% of the time) but still bouncing close to 7k damage in a tier 6 seams a little op to me what do you guys think

 

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Edited by Warhawk1984, 14 February 2018 - 08:32 AM.


Kurat666 #2 Posted 14 February 2018 - 08:51 AM

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It is ok. Isn`t the armor kinda point of this tank with its pew-pew gun? And as you said ,it still has its drawbacks, like speed and a weakspot on top. You dont actually need to flank it. And I do not hink you can bounce 7k in every game...

Lohend #3 Posted 14 February 2018 - 09:03 AM

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Tank is fine, AT8 gives up traverse and mobility for armor and ok gun. *not like some tier 10 new TD-s* It has weakspots and can be fought from the front even when you are to slow to flank it.
Bounced 7k in a game? Good for you, but i doubt enemy team had any experienced players on their team.

Homer_J #4 Posted 14 February 2018 - 09:14 AM

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Doesn't sound too OP if the enemy survived long enough to bounce 7k off you.  Why weren't they all dead?

Pegasus2022 #5 Posted 14 February 2018 - 09:38 AM

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AT-8 op?  Man, you're going to explode when you start facing certain tier 8, 9 & 10's.

Warhawk1984 #6 Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:45 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 14 February 2018 - 08:14 AM, said:

Doesn't sound too OP if the enemy survived long enough to bounce 7k off you.  Why weren't they all dead?

 

4 tanks shooting at you all playing peek-a-boo and you do 200 damage per hit takes time they wasn't exactly just sitting in the open.

View PostLohend, on 14 February 2018 - 08:03 AM, said:

Tank is fine, AT8 gives up traverse and mobility for armor and ok gun. *not like some tier 10 new TD-s* It has weakspots and can be fought from the front even when you are to slow to flank it.
Bounced 7k in a game? Good for you, but i doubt enemy team had any experienced players on their team.

 

while i agree with you the AT-8 has a few weak spots i don't think we can say it really has any frontally anymore the massive dome that was always its biggest weakness can't really be considered a weak spot anymore yes it is the weakest part of the tank, frontally weaker than the main hull perhaps but certainly not a weak spot not with 152.4 mm of armor to put that in context i am gonna compare the armor of the AT-8 to guns found in its tier comparing it with higher tiers is pointless of course something like a rhm or scorpion will eat it for breakfast.

German:

VK 36.01 Gun 8.8 cm L/56 (tier 7 gun) average pen 145 mm vs main frontal hull of AT-8 ( 203 mm) dome (152.4 mm) most likely a bounce

Nashorn  Gun 8.8 cm L/71 (tier 8 gun) average pen 203 mm vs main frontal hull of AT-8 ( 203 mm) dome (152.4 mm) coin flip on hull most likely pen on dome

Soviet:

T-150  Gun 107 mm Zis-6 (tier 7 gun) average pen 167 mm vs main frontal hull of AT-8 ( 203 mm) dome (152.4 mm) most likely a bounce on the hull most likely pen on dome

SU-100 Gun 122 mm D-2-5s (tier 7 gun) average pen 175 mm vs main frontal hull of AT-8 ( 203 mm) dome (152.4 mm) most likely a bounce on the hull most likely pen on dome

American:

M6 Gun 90mm M3 (tier 7 gun) average pen 160 mm vs main frontal hull of AT-8 ( 203 mm) dome (152.4 mm) most likely a bounce on the hull kinda a coin flip on dome with less than 8 mm of pen difference between gun and armor.

M4A3E2 Gun 76mm M1A2 (tier 6 gun) average pen 128 mm vs main frontal hull of AT-8 ( 203 mm) dome (152.4 mm) most likely a bounce

British:

Churchill VII QQF 77 mm mk II (tier 7 gun) average pen 148 mm vs main frontal hull of AT-8 ( 203 mm) dome (152.4 mm) most likely a bounce on the hull kinda a coin flip on dome with less than 8 mm of pen difference between gun and armor.

Achilles QQF 17 pdr  AT gun mk VII (tier 7 gun) average pen 171 mm vs main frontal hull of AT-8 ( 203 mm) dome (152.4 mm) most likely a bounce on the hull most likely pen on dome.

 

looking at it on paper tanks in its tier are gonna struggle to pen the at-8 even when aiming for the so called weak spot and some heavy's like the VK 36.01 and the Churchill VII just don't have the pen to really be a threat to the AT-8 frontally. Some TD's like the Nashorn do have the pen required to be a threat (using a tier 8 gun) while others like the Achilles just don't have the pen power. While mediums like the M4A3E2 may as well not bother wasting ammo.

 

now i am not saying the AT-8 is unbeatable like i said it has its own problems the question is does the issues outweigh the armor it has when there are heavy tanks and tank Destroyers in its own tier that cant even pen it's weak spots frontally, and the only tier 6 medium tank i could find with a pen higher than the so call weak spot of the AT-8 is the Chi-to with 155 mm of pen which while higher than the 152.4 mm on the dome its hardly a dead cert to pen.

 

 

  



Homer_J #7 Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:48 AM

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View PostWarhawk1984, on 14 February 2018 - 09:45 AM, said:

 

4 tanks shooting at you all playing peek-a-boo and you do 200 damage per hit takes time they wasn't exactly just sitting in the open.

  

So what you are saying is the armour is balanced by other features?  Like it's slow, has a pew pew gun, and no turret.



Hotwired #8 Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:50 AM

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It has a top speed of 20kph, below 10hp/ton and a whole 20 traverse speed.

 

On top of that it has a 150 alpha gun with the most trash angles in the game. 7.5 degrees to each side and up, 5 degrees depression.

 

Tracking has never been more crippling on any tank in the game. Even when it gets a chance to shoot you its a miserable 150 damage.



Warhawk1984 #9 Posted 14 February 2018 - 10:53 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 14 February 2018 - 09:48 AM, said:

So what you are saying is the armour is balanced by other features?  Like it's slow, has a pew pew gun, and no turret.

 

i am not saying that the armor isn't used to balance i just personally think they raised it a little to much a armor layout of 180 mm frontally (142mm on dome) 101 mm sides and rear would still make the AT-8 competitive. 

Pansenmann #10 Posted 14 February 2018 - 11:02 AM

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how can it be OP with that trash mobility?

please, get your facts straight.

 

the armor is quite bouncy sometimes, yes,

without it, it would be utterly useless.


Edited by Pansenmann, 14 February 2018 - 11:02 AM.


SuedKAT #11 Posted 14 February 2018 - 11:11 AM

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The AT-8 is strong now yes, more than anything it's strong the same way for example the KV-4 is used to be strong, when people with no clue engage it they will bounce all day for the most part, but if you find yourself facing anyone that got a clue you're often dead. Sure it got frontal armor, but it got so many other weaknesses that balance that out, it's not like it's a Defender or anything.

 

Heck the other day I used the only tier 6 TD that on a bad roll (with standard ammo) can lack enough pen to pen the weakspots, the Jag Pz IV, I tracked him, took one shoot, drove around him, tracked him again and then it was 800 free damage for me. Sure if he had friends I couldn't do that, but then I wouldn't have positioned my self in front of him anyhow.

 

Personally I think it's balanced ok and the top weakspot means that people are less likely to shoot premium ammo at it, since if there is a weakspot that people know of, they use standard ammo more than if there is none which for the AT-8 is actually better than if it was immune to standard ammo.



Hotwired #12 Posted 14 February 2018 - 11:11 AM

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I believe the answer is in what the OP actually did in his game while bouncing 7k damage.

 

What was your actual damage contribution. You were clearly in the battle quite a bit so you must have wrecked them right?



Noo_Noo #13 Posted 14 February 2018 - 11:16 AM

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Just had a peak at the WR curves and it does seem to be performing quite well. 

 

http://wot-news.com/.../eu/uk/GB74_AT8



Balc0ra #14 Posted 14 February 2018 - 11:37 AM

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If it was OP it would dominate the field constantly. It don't. I hardly still see AT-8's do really well. Nor do I see them bounce much that often. If you do you do bounce 7K in it. I suspect you were mostly facing clueless players that went for your lower plate etc and never tracked you to go around. As most I see still die as fast as before more so then not. It's stronger vs before as top tier sure, and it does preform better vs before. As not many tier 4's and 5's have 152mm pen for the cupola. As I don't expect many new tier 4 players to know much about it to counter it well. But it's not doing that well I would consider it OP. As it's not like the old AT-2 tier for tier that could even bounce +2 guns on the hull.

 

But face the wrong players. And you won't bonce anything. 



Ze_HOFF_fverhoef #15 Posted 14 February 2018 - 11:43 AM

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If it is OP, then good for those poor sods that are  playing that gawd awful line. I once did that whole line, but I don't think I can ever make me do it again.

 

... also... I hardly see AT-8's on the battlefield



spendog8 #16 Posted 14 February 2018 - 11:45 AM

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i can safely say Ive, never been scared of coming face to face with an at8, they are quite easy to dispatch. seems quite balanced to me.

Aikl #17 Posted 14 February 2018 - 12:20 PM

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Fun how buffing a slow TD's armour, and not really much else, results in a more effective camping machine that is still boring to play. Who would've known?

Noo_Noo #18 Posted 14 February 2018 - 12:27 PM

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haven't played one of these in ages and i liked before the buff. I found it quite an easy tank to play to be honest. Poke round corners at an angle, always using the available gun arc and hiding that cupola. Always as far forward as possible without getting isolated. 

 

The mobility was obviously the major draw back with you either chasing the battle, unable to keep up or not being able to react to things happening elsewhere. Obviously being mobbed is a risk too but that's the same with every tank except running is not possible with this one. 






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