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zargblatt #1 Posted 16 February 2018 - 12:47 PM

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Today i came across a 257 hwo was tracked in the position in image. I am driving a 110 with 2nd gun (122mm)

This position is almost sideways, with turret beeing flat sideways.

Even at 1 tier lower i should have atleast some pssibility to penn it. Even with gold its only 50% at the best spots.

 

 

 


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Simeon85 #2 Posted 16 February 2018 - 12:50 PM

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Yeh it's broken.

 

Some people will probably turn up and tell you to flank it and shoot it in the rear, or hit the small overmatch roof section on the turret (whilst you have the whole side of the tank facing you), these people should be ignored.

 

Tank's like this have no place in the game, it's a bit like smooth bore cannons, this design is just too good to be properly balanced. 



Coldspell #3 Posted 16 February 2018 - 12:52 PM

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I bought one yesterday to try it out and deliberately charged into the largest clump of enemies each game. It's good at blocking damage.

PauI #4 Posted 16 February 2018 - 12:57 PM

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dude.....did u heard of flanking.....common  30k battles should have thought you to out maneuver enemy tanks

now on the serious note.....one is chinese the other one is a vodka tank....what do you expect? they are making the rasha tanks more and more OP to at list boost the ego .... because the human quality that is at a very low level in that country

now more vodka comrades


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zargblatt #5 Posted 16 February 2018 - 01:11 PM

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I love russians. They can drink ;)

Warzey #6 Posted 16 February 2018 - 01:12 PM

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Are you seriously complaining that a T7 gun with 175 pen can't punch through the front of a T9 heavy?! I mean the story is similar with T-10, that thing is practically immune to sub 200 pen guns frontally, even IS-3s front can easily deal with 175 pen guns.

On the other hand 250 pen HEAT shells shouldn't have too much problem going through the front of 257, not to mention that you are free to move your tank to get a more favorable angle if the enemy is not focusing you.

 

Some people will turn up and tell you that 257 is the most broken thing that was ever introduced into the game, I'm going to call BS on that, just give people some time to learn how to deal with the tank. Same thing with 268 v4, on the patch day I could drive up into the face of 5 heavies and kill them without losing HP, if I do that now I'll just flat out die. 


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View Postzargblatt, on 16 February 2018 - 12:47 PM, said:

Today i came across a 257 hwo was tracked in the position in image. I am driving a 110 with 2nd gun (122mm)

This position is almost sideways, with turret beeing flat sideways.

Even at 1 tier lower i should have atleast some pssibility to penn it. Even with gold its only 50% at the best spots.

 

 

 

 

at this angle a 250 pen heat shell is basicly a guaranteed penetration ... not even close to the "50% at best"

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View Postzargblatt, on 16 February 2018 - 12:47 PM, said:

Today i came across a 257 hwo was tracked in the position in image. I am driving a 110 with 2nd gun (122mm)

This position is almost sideways, with turret beeing flat sideways.

Even at 1 tier lower i should have atleast some pssibility to penn it. Even with gold its only 50% at the best spots.

 

 

 

 

Why lying? You have at least 66% pen chance on the UFP with HEAT! And that's the top left corner. On the lower central part you have up to 80% chance to pen!

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And that it's exaclty the same on IS-3, T-10 or even other 110.

Don't like to spam gold? You have cupolas, overmatchable turret roof or you can sidehug it and overmatch the 30mm engine deck!

Don't dare to get so close, load HE.



Simeon85 #9 Posted 16 February 2018 - 01:24 PM

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View PostWarzey, on 16 February 2018 - 01:12 PM, said:

Are you seriously complaining that a T7 gun with 175 pen can't punch through the front of a T9 heavy?!

 

Front? 

 

That is not the front. 99% of the tanks in the game at that angle are getting penned. 

 

And suggesting people need 'time to learn how to deal with it' is retarded, you can all the time in the world, won't change the fact that a large proportion of tanks that a 257 faces cannot pen it reliably in the side even if it gives them complete flush side shots.

 

To suggest this is a weakspot learning exercise is utter nonsense, it's a heavy tank that has broken side armour that makes it retard proof. 



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View PostPauI, on 16 February 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

dude.....did u heard of flanking.....common  30k battles should have thought you to out maneuver enemy tanks

 

 

​I love this bullshlt response... You try and out manoeuvre a 268-4 that's just bulling the hell out of you... sometimes you cant flank and what then?  The 257 has speed, armour and you say flank.... This is the response of people that drive a Type 5

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View PostSimeon85, on 16 February 2018 - 12:24 PM, said:

 

Front? 

 

That is not the front. 99% of the tanks in the game at that angle are getting penned. 

 

And suggesting people need 'time to learn how to deal with it' is retarded, you can all the time in the world, won't change the fact that a large proportion of tanks that a 257 faces cannot pen it reliably in the side even if it gives them complete flush side shots.

 

To suggest this is a weakspot learning exercise is utter nonsense, it's a heavy tank that has broken side armour that makes it retard proof. 

 

Side armor of 257 doesn't really matter, it will make no real difference in combat. Not to mention that as far as TDs are concerned 257 has the same armor as batchat.

The side will never ever stop all incoming shells, it will just stop some of them, so when you screw up you will lose 500 HP instead of 800 HP. When you get surrounded you will live a bit longer than Conqueror would, maybe fire an extra shell but you will inevitably die. The only way you can effectively use side armor without exposing weak front is to reverse side scrape and that is nothing new or unique. 

 

Of course people will need time to learn, it's not like everyone instantly runs to tanks.gg about armor layout. It is no secret that 257 does not have "normal" side armor and people will need time to realize that. Of course if they don't want to bother with learning I and other players will be more than happy to make use of their stupidity. 



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I like those posts ... they reminds me why 2/3 of my games are made with russian tanks.

All those prrreciiiooous tanks gifted along the years ^^



NUKLEAR_SLUG #13 Posted 16 February 2018 - 01:50 PM

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Every single patch without exception, whatever tank WG adds in, the forum is instantly filled 5 mins later with threads complaining that anything that requires more thought than "Herp-derp shoot it in the face!" is totally OP.

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View PostCeeb, on 16 February 2018 - 12:34 PM, said:

 

​I love this bullshlt response... You try and out manoeuvre a 268-4 that's just bulling the hell out of you... sometimes you cant flank and what then?  The 257 has speed, armour and you say flank.... This is the response of people that drive a Type 5

 

:)) i assume the next statement "now on the serious note" is not telling you anything......i guess sarcasm is not your strong point is it?

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My point is that a flat side of TURRET is impossible to pen, and just 50% chance with gold.

 

Compare this to the T10 it relaces.

Any noticable change in turret side pen???


Edited by zargblatt, 16 February 2018 - 01:51 PM.


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Looks balanced.



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View Postzargblatt, on 16 February 2018 - 01:50 PM, said:

My point is that a flat side of TURRET is impossible to pen, and just 50% chance with gold.

 

Compare this to the T10 it relaces.

Any noticable change in turret side pen???

 

Turret is similar to IS 7 so is hard unless you get the flat surface, best way to go is the ufp in that position.

 

It has thin roof that can be overmatched by large calibers, and you never shoot the tracks of a v shaped tank unless you can overmatch it.

 

It's a really hard nut to crack but if you approach it wrong it's your fault, is not that every time the game shall be fit to tomatoes just because they are too lazy to even try in positioning properly.

 

That tank is almost broken, but is manageable even in a tier 8 heavy tank if you just try and know what you are doing:coin:



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View PostPauI, on 16 February 2018 - 12:50 PM, said:

 

:)) i assume the next statement "now on the serious note" is not telling you anything......i guess sarcasm is not your strong point is it?

 

​Its a big strong point... I live on sarcasm... I got as far as "Learn to Flank" and threw my toys out the pram

 



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View PostSuedKAT, on 16 February 2018 - 01:55 PM, said:

Looks balanced.

 

oh someone bounced roughly 3 times its own HP, so unique ... now ppl can finally finish that obj 260 mission ...  it was simply impossible before we had the 257


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View PostSABAOTH, on 16 February 2018 - 01:57 PM, said:

 

Turret is similar to IS 7 so is hard unless you get the flat surface, best way to go is the ufp in that position.

 

It has thin roof that can be overmatched by large calibers, and you never shoot the tracks of a v shaped tank unless you can overmatch it.

 

It's a really hard nut to crack but if you approach it wrong it's your fault, is not that every time the game shall be fit to tomatoes just because they are too lazy to even try in positioning properly.

 

That tank is almost broken, but is manageable even in a tier 8 heavy tank if you just try and know what you are doing:coin:

 

So when i point out that a tank with100% chance of pen is beeing replace with one with 0% chanse, your replay is that i need to find fuckn hill to climb before shooting at it?

Seriously, whats wrong with you...






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