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Sabroan #1 Posted 18 February 2018 - 01:40 PM

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What is the deal with good players and premium ammo spam? 

9/10 times in a game I run into premium nob who can't penetrate my tank and goes full on Premium Ammo spam which nullifies my armor and his need to aim for weakspots and use tactics. 

Premium ammo ruins the game and tactics, it nullifies the armor and the need to target for weak spots, it turns tactical game into random shooter game where you don't even have to aim. Just press 2 key and go full retard mode.
This game is PAY TO WIN, using premium ammo gives insane advantage in most situations, to the point where armor is nullified an there is no need for flanking or actual aiming. 8/10 players I run into(green players or higher) are spamming premium ammo at me which kinda makes me wonder, what is the purpose of armor? Why play heavy sluggish armored tanks when some rich boi can destroy it with 0 effort. No need to care about armor what so ever.
Why should heavy tanks be played if they are like sponge? 
Haha lol armor? Let me press my 2 key, that will show you.


And then some Wargaming representative dares to say that only 5% of rounds fired is premium? Are you mental? Do you think that someone will believe that? 
In tier 7 8 9 10 premium ammo is fired at least 50%. 
BUT TRY PLAYING THAT SPECIFIC TANK, ITS HORRIBLE WHEN STOCK MUH FEEELINGS MUH EGOO
Well guess what, perhaps you are not supposed to be equal or even good as tank fully researched tank? They obviously have advantage over you.
BUT I AM TIER 8 in TIER 10 GAME, I CAN"T PENETRATE

Guess what, you are not top tier, act like it. Don't play like you are. 

BUT MY TANK HAS HORRIBLE GUN PENETRATION.
Guess what? DEAL WITH IT AND GIT GUD. 


Don't just use easier alternative which is load premium ammo and screw over game mechanics and whole game fantasy.
But I guess this is just another useless premium ammo rant in a game where 70% of player base are complete [edited]and think they are entitled to penetrate everything they aim at. *edited*
Inb4 you go full keyboard warrior give some actual arguments with facts.


Premium ammo is ruining the game and its the cancer of world of tanks where armor doesn't really matter. 

 


Edited by NickMustaine, 19 February 2018 - 12:41 PM.
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vasilinhorulezz #2 Posted 18 February 2018 - 01:44 PM

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Ooo, a premium ammo whine thread,

been a while we had one of those.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:



xx984 #3 Posted 18 February 2018 - 01:44 PM

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If he cant pen your tank. Why wouldnt he? He would be a much worse player if he just slings standard rounds at a tank he has no hope of penning for the whole game until it inevitable kills him instead and possibly throw the game for his team as well

Axelfoley666 #4 Posted 18 February 2018 - 01:45 PM

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Ooh! Wait don't start yet, grabbing popcorn, be right back. :great:

Sabroan #5 Posted 18 February 2018 - 01:49 PM

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View Postxx984, on 18 February 2018 - 12:44 PM, said:

If he cant pen your tank. Why wouldnt he? He would be a much worse player if he just slings standard rounds at a tank he has no hope of penning for the whole game until it inevitable kills him instead and possibly throw the game for his team as well

 

Perhaps because my tank has advantage over his? Perhaps he should try to use different tactics? Try to aim for weakspots? Not just rush and press 2 and kill everything in front of you.

xx984 #6 Posted 18 February 2018 - 01:57 PM

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View PostSabroan, on 18 February 2018 - 12:49 PM, said:

 

Perhaps because my tank has advantage over his? Perhaps he should try to use different tactics? Try to aim for weakspots? Not just rush and press 2 and kill everything in front of you.

 

Okay. Say he's in an E100 and you are in a type 5 heavy. where should he aim with standard rounds? He cant pen you ANYWHERE frontally. He cant even reliably pen the cupola. 

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Nice thread. I’m looking to seeing how this pans out. Should be fun.

Edited by jabster, 18 February 2018 - 02:10 PM.


Sabroan #8 Posted 18 February 2018 - 02:01 PM

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View Postxx984, on 18 February 2018 - 12:57 PM, said:

 

Okay. Say he's in an E100 and you are in a type 5 heavy. where should he aim with standard rounds? He cant pen you ANYWHERE frontally. He cant even reliably pen the cupola. 

 

You can't, and what is what makes this game beautiful. You have to think and have to be careful because you can go against some tanks but not every tank. You can always try to make the enemy make a mistake, or  try to flank? Or just deal with it. Its not fair but guess what, life is not fair. There can't be perfect balance. There is no equality between those two tanks because they are completely different. Unless you of course load premium ammo and destroy that advantage/disadvantage. 

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View PostSabroan, on 18 February 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

 

You can't, and what is what makes this game beautiful. You have to think and have to be careful because you can go against some tanks but not every tank. You can always try to make the enemy make a mistake, or  try to flank? Or just deal with it. Its not fair but guess what, life is not fair. There can't be perfect balance. There is no equality between those two tanks because they are completely different. Unless you of course load premium ammo and destroy that advantage/disadvantage. 

 

Maybe you should try taking your own advice and just deal with premium ammo spam?

ApocalypseSquad #10 Posted 18 February 2018 - 02:06 PM

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You'll never guess what class OP predominantly plays....

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View PostSabroan, on 18 February 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

 

You can't, and what is what makes this game beautiful. You have to think and have to be careful because you can go against some tanks but not every tank. You can always try to make the enemy make a mistake, or  try to flank? Or just deal with it. Its not fair but guess what, life is not fair. There can't be perfect balance. There is no equality between those two tanks because they are completely different. Unless you of course load premium ammo and destroy that advantage/disadvantage. 

 

Did you just suggest flanking in an E100... oh sweet jesus as for your statement '' Its not fair but guess what, life is not fair'' same stands for premium ammo, can't handle getting penned by premium ammo sucks for you life is not fair.

Thing is his statement about the E100 vs Type 5 could be reverted to an E100 vs the Tier 9 Type 4... he won't pen him frontally with AP and the TYPE4 can derp him to death with ease, he also sure as hell can't flank him and if it comes to a corner trade the Type 4 will win because more damage per shot with his HE.

Even with gold rounds E100 will struggle to pen the type4 frontally consistently.

 

Fact of the matter is you suck at the game and you try to justify how bad you are by blaming prem ammo, even if you fired nothing but prem ammo you wouldn't improve at the game the fact you think prem ammo = an autopen explains that.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Enforcer1975 #12 Posted 18 February 2018 - 02:10 PM

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Not only good players spam premium ammo. I have seen way worse do that. While it enables them to do damage it's not a replacement for skill...i recieved so many hits that didn't pen me because guys who spammed "gold" apcr hit me in autobounce angles where they would have penned if they had used normal ammo. And if the tank could have penned you with normal ammo anyway but is still spamming premium ammo then let the player have an expensive game and laugh at them. 

But i do agree that premium ammo spam should be discouraged especially when you are a +1 +2 tier tank.

One way as i have already mentioned a couple months ago is to increase the price per shot spent at a certain rate [ 100% +10% for bottom / +15% for mid tiers / +20% for top tiers per shot capped at 200%, ~8-10k per shot is very expensive and is not sustainable even with a premium tank/account ] plus a modifier when shooting at bottom tiers for all tanks from tier 8 upwards since they have more than enough firepower and pen to be able to deal with most tanks with normal ammo. 


Edited by Enforcer1975, 18 February 2018 - 02:10 PM.


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View PostSabroan, on 18 February 2018 - 02:49 PM, said:

 

Perhaps because my tank has advantage over his? Perhaps he should try to use different tactics? Try to aim for weakspots? Not just rush and press 2 and kill everything in front of you.

 

Could you elaborate a bit and tell what would these tactics be? For example you are in a heavy tank and you meet Type 5 Heavy in the corridor you have chosen. you have 246mm of penetration on your standard rounds and Type's "weakspots" have around 260mm of armor. 

 

 



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View PostApocalypseSquad, on 18 February 2018 - 01:06 PM, said:

You'll never guess what class OP predominantly plays....

 

Weekend class

 



sgtYester #15 Posted 18 February 2018 - 02:14 PM

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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 18 February 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

Ooo, a premium ammo whine thread,

been a while we had one of those.

:popcorn::popcorn::popcorn:

 

its not a whine if its true

 

the game has gone full p2w and u know it  



divsmo #16 Posted 18 February 2018 - 02:15 PM

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What are we expecting to acheive with this thread exactly? Premium ammo has been a thing for long enough for you to know it's not going anywhere by now surely?

K_A #17 Posted 18 February 2018 - 02:19 PM

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Maybe OP just needs to adjust his expectations in playing. When you're playing in a stupidly well armoured tank you have to EXPECT the enemy to try and use prem to pen you. A lot of tanks can still sidescrape and angle reasonably well even against same tier prem ammo, so l2p and quit whining.

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View Postdivsmo, on 18 February 2018 - 01:15 PM, said:

What are we expecting to acheive with this thread exactly? Premium ammo has been a thing for long enough for you to know it's not going anywhere by now surely?

 

Nothing really, I just wanted to see butthurt "good players" who are afraid their skill rating will fall in case something happened to prem ammo.

And now that did happen as they are using one situation as argument, the Type 5 Heavy vs E100 Thinking that they are entitled to penetrate everything and win everything. 

xtram3x #19 Posted 18 February 2018 - 02:20 PM

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I don't like premium ammo but Wargaming has designed the game in a way that makes premium ammo a requirement in more & more situations.

WG cannot get rid of premium ammo until they fix the need to have it



AliceUnchained #20 Posted 18 February 2018 - 02:21 PM

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View PostSabroan, on 18 February 2018 - 01:40 PM, said:

Inb4 you go full keyboard warrior give some actual arguments with facts.

 

Then how about you start with proper arguments and proper facts yourself? As all we have here is some random unsubstantiated ranting and whining... There's absolutely noting factual about any of it.

 

View PostsgtYester, on 18 February 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

its not a whine if its true

 

So it's just a whine then...

 

 


Edited by AliceUnchained, 18 February 2018 - 02:22 PM.





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