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TheOnlyMagician #1 Posted 18 February 2018 - 03:16 PM

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Hi tankers, (update suggestions are in bottom part)

First a mini review of E50 :

How I play my E50 

 

  • Both guns -105mm & 88mm L100, both are good.
  • I use 100 octane gas for 5% more engine power instead of fire extinguisher, no fires from front yet, engine dies always from front though.
  • 0 gold/premium ammo in both guns, i got 2 marks yet working on 3rd
  • Crew after ~2500 battles in the E50 line
    • BIA, 6th Sense, camo, repairs 81%
    • BIA, snap shot, camo, repairs 81%
    • BIA, controlled impact, camo, smooth ride 81%
    • BIA, repairs, camo, situational awareness 81%
    • BIA, repairs, camo, firefighting 81%
    • I wish i had repairs first on all at 100% now i dont want to reset to 90% and loose exp. and credits.
  • V. Stab., Rammer, optics.
  • Guns 
    • 88mm L100 works best after tracking enemies, reload is 4.22sec., you can shoot enemy 2ice while they shoot you once (assuming they use 105mm gun with 390 alpha and ~ 7 sec reload) and get in cover. I wonder why the HE dmg is not 320 like other guns with 240 ap dmg?
    • 105mm gun is good at peek-a-boo play style, a hidden gem is the HE of this gun, 60 pen and 510 dmg which I realized late. 
    • Use gold/premium ammo after consulting with neurons in your brain if you have them as gold ammo is not needed.
  • Armor 
    • Turret if slightly angled (correctly) can bounce t9 TD AP shells. If you look them in the eyes they can pen your face. With only 200 pen i.e tier 7s.
    • Hull can sidescrape, upper plate is good to bounce even heat shells at tier 9 when angled, lower plate is reliable to be penned. (Try to wiggle if enemy shoot heat, to bait in shooting E50's huge tracks, works mostly).
    • If hit in rear half there might be fire.

Now suggestions

1. More side turret armor to be able to angle it.

2. Reduced shell cost of AP and HE shells from 1000credits to 500, for the 88mm gun. 

Let your views be heard of above suggestions and mini review of E50.


Edited by TheOnlyMagician, 18 February 2018 - 03:23 PM.


Strizi #2 Posted 18 February 2018 - 03:51 PM

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E50 is fine, E50M is the one that really needs a buff.

Aikl #3 Posted 18 February 2018 - 04:16 PM

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How much side armor would the turret need to be 'angleable'? Seems more logical to buff the front a bit. Not a lot. Keep it a bit unlike the soupbowl turrets where even the side is too strong for lower-tier tanks.

 

Oh, and 1200-horsepower engine, leave the gun as-is. Don't really need the tank to become just another high-DPM based tank (it's overrated).



TheOnlyMagician #4 Posted 18 February 2018 - 04:24 PM

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View PostAikl, on 18 February 2018 - 04:16 PM, said:

How much side armor would the turret need to be 'angleable'? Seems more logical to buff the front a bit. Not a lot. Keep it a bit unlike the soupbowl turrets where even the side is too strong for lower-tier tanks.

 

Oh, and 1200-horsepower engine, leave the gun as-is. Don't really need the tank to become just another high-DPM based tank (it's overrated).

 

i never suggested changes to gun specially dpm buff, just that shell cost is too high for 240 ap dmg and is credit sink for a free to play player

Aikl #5 Posted 18 February 2018 - 05:19 PM

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View PostTheOnlyMagician, on 18 February 2018 - 03:24 PM, said:

 

i never suggested changes to gun specially dpm buff, just that shell cost is too high for 240 ap dmg and is credit sink for a free to play player

 

No, you didn't, I just expressed my general views on buffing things a bit out of the ordinary.

 

While you're fully within your rights to play for free, you do realize that T8-10 is actually meant to be a credit sink? It's kind of the basis for the whole game model after all.

 

On a side note, 1k/240 damage is only slightly worse than the T-54's 1230/320 damage - and the E50 actually gets an alternate gun with cheaper shells. It's a 'grinding gun' on the E50 (like it always has been), and on the Panther II it's the price to pay for having penetration well-above average for mediums (if not best in class).



Pincertje #6 Posted 03 March 2018 - 01:21 PM

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I acquired the E50 only recently, but I find its mobility a bit disappointing nowadays. Especially in comparisson to more recent Soviet heavies and meds, that seem to be racing by. I seem to be always late for engaging flanking fast meds, while the fast Soviet and Chinese meds can take them apart. 

 

Second, I've noticed the shells of both the 88 and the 105 lose penentration values over distance significantly. Thus the E50 cannot be a precision supporting tank anymore as it will not pen heavily armored meds and heavies over distance. and needs to brawl. Well, that's fine, but then it should have an armor and mobility buff in my opinion. 

 

All in all, I love this tank to bits, but it suffers from power creep.  



hasnainrakha57 #7 Posted 03 March 2018 - 02:57 PM

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E50m is ze problem not e50

Tr0gledyte #8 Posted 04 March 2018 - 12:02 PM

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Both tanks need a frontal turret armor buff, E-50M should get a slight DPM buff as well, then they're good.

XPuntar #9 Posted 04 March 2018 - 05:41 PM

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The only thing Wg need to do is to "fix normalization" into dynamic one!

 

Currently no matter at what angle of inpact normalization is always -5 , which is just retarded and give huge bonus to tanks with "oval" turrets!

 

At angles of impact greater than 65 degrees,  normalization should be a positive one, +10/+15 degrees with a very high chance a shell to just ricochet away  (bounce off armor)!

 

 


Edited by XPuntar, 04 March 2018 - 05:43 PM.


Dr_Oolen #10 Posted 04 March 2018 - 06:07 PM

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Id say e50 is still a good t9 even after all the years of powercreep. One might say buffing turret from 185 to 200 wouldnt hurt, and buffing pen to 235 from 220 to give it back its "overall useful armor, but not really reliable against same/higher tiers + reliable gun" feel. Although any turret armor buff on a medium makes me cringe after that has been overused so much lately. But its not like this would make e50 just another copypaste hulldown gun depression tonk.

 

But e50m would use a buff of some sort. But tbh i myself am not sure what to make of it. E50/m used to be sort of sniper meds with potential to play heavy tonk role against lower tier tonks when needed while having reliable gun and not really being bad at anything in particular. But most of that is not workable these days. Sniping is useless completely and for actual tanking youd need way more armor, not to mention you dont see any lower tier tanks anyway, so the role of "heavy tonk against lower tiers" is moot aswell. So the only role the tanks can kinda keep (and have use for) is the "reliable gun + not bad at anything", and potentialy they could still go the "overall fine armor" way, but unlike most other meds with armor this armor wouldnt be about turret or ufp, but truly about overall armor - meaning the sides/lfp/turret front/sides would all be fairly good, but not really great.

 

So maybe something like leaving lfp and ufp as they are, buffing turret from 185 to 205 and both turret sides and hull sides from 80 to 100. Wouldnt really make much difference at all, the tank would simply get marginally better in terms of armor in all aspects (thus it would neither be a hulldown tank, nor a sidescraper, nor "armor towards enemies" typo of tank. And then to make the gun more reliable, so that it indeed feels more reliable relative to other meds, like it used to, buff pretty much everything by 5-10% - so aimtime from 2.1 to 1.9, acc from 0.3 to 0.28, dispersions from 0.14/0.14/0.08 to 0.12/0.12/0.07. And leave it at that. Then it would actually be a buff to e50... as right now the only thing its better at is lfp, hp/t, hp and base pen...



hasnainrakha57 #11 Posted 04 March 2018 - 11:29 PM

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E50m side turret armour is only 285mm affective when looking from front and front is only 185mm so fire gold don't hit front u will hit side which is 285mm ezy pen useless e50m with cursed DPM.Below is pic when t62a is using 330mm of pen.

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Strizi #12 Posted 05 March 2018 - 06:27 AM

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Buff DPM by 10%, Buff accuracy to 0.28, Buff turret to E75 Levels, Give it ground resistance like E50, Not really needed but this tank is tall so give it 410m viewrange. With these buffs MAYBE the tank is somewhat viable but still the turret would be nothing compared to russians but atleast it istn autopen for standard rounds of t8s. The most important buff would be the dpm buff i think but it really needs more tbh.

HugSeal #13 Posted 05 March 2018 - 07:47 AM

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So, a thinly disguised goldwine thread by someone who plays an e50 decently and haven't 3marked it after 1300+ games? 

 

k.

 

Claiming gold isn't needed with 220 pen at tier 9? Delusional.


Edited by HugSeal, 05 March 2018 - 07:50 AM.





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