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los_lobo #1 Posted 19 February 2018 - 08:27 PM

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So I was wondering, if I ding a friendly fire does it count? That is to say, if I ding it, is the friendly tank penalised for it, cuz, and please don't ban me for asking but that would make some personal missions a bit easier. 

Edited by los_lobo, 19 February 2018 - 08:30 PM.


vasilinhorulezz #2 Posted 19 February 2018 - 08:31 PM

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It does.

divsmo #3 Posted 19 February 2018 - 08:52 PM

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Are you asking if friendly fire counts towards personnal missions?

vasilinhorulezz #4 Posted 19 February 2018 - 09:00 PM

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If I understood correctly, he probably means, if you hit an ally by mistake and not do damage, if it counts as team damage.



Baldrickk #5 Posted 19 February 2018 - 09:06 PM

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Yes, and no.

You don't get penalised for shots into allies if they do no damage at all.
I think you do get penalised for module damage (I don't really go around shooting allies, so I'm not 100% sure)

As for the ban system, it looks at a few things:
Damage inflicted to HP
Damage inflicted to module
Number of shots into allies

Damage is actually done as a ratio of team damage:enemy damage (when you go blue, you need to lower this ratio to a certain point to go back to normal)
Non damaging shots count for this.


Balc0ra #6 Posted 19 February 2018 - 09:12 PM

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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 19 February 2018 - 09:00 PM, said:

If I understood correctly, he probably means, if you hit an ally by mistake and not do damage, if it counts as team damage.

 

No it don't. Only zero damage crits counts. Like if you damage the tracks or gun etc, but still do zero damage. If it bounces off. No. Not sure about losing High caliber tho etc. As in if that counts as a "direct hit" or not.

 

But even if he wanted to "rig" missions by doing friendly damage. He might turn blue at some point if he does module damage or hit it enough. Even tho if it's for zero damage constantly. As I'm not 100% sure if you bouncing 20 times in a friendly will be noticed by the system or not, vs a few zero damage bounces.

 

But even if the system don't notice it. The other players will. And you might get caught and banned for rigging that way instead. And then you lose your reward tanks too.


Edited by Balc0ra, 19 February 2018 - 09:19 PM.


Aikl #7 Posted 19 February 2018 - 09:23 PM

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View Postlos_lobo, on 19 February 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

(...) that would make some personal missions a bit easier. 

 

What do you mean, exactly? Dinging a platoonmate to 'rig' his bounce mission?

 

(Pretty sure it doesn't work like that, could of course be mistaken.)



Bordhaw #8 Posted 19 February 2018 - 10:19 PM

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View Postlos_lobo, on 19 February 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

So I was wondering, if I ding a friendly fire does it count? That is to say, if I ding it, is the friendly tank penalised for it, cuz, and please don't ban me for asking but that would make some personal missions a bit easier. 

 

Wow relying on doing friendly fire to complete a mission. Sucks to be in your team. 

WindSplitter1 #9 Posted 19 February 2018 - 10:49 PM

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I've seen two ducks shooting each other (plat. they were just being playful). They took their sweet time to stop and did not go blue.

 

You still get the "You've hit an ally...!" message, though.



los_lobo #10 Posted 19 February 2018 - 11:19 PM

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Sorry to be off, as to  "sucks to be on my team", if it does not count as friendly fire why not help someone to accomplish certain amount od dinged dmg? For example, ding 3x your hp, someone needs less than 1k and it is almost end of the fight, you help him by firing at ufp or some autobaunce area and bounce him one or two times and voila. You are not damaging him, you are not hurting your team. So where is the down side to this tactics?

Edited by los_lobo, 19 February 2018 - 11:44 PM.


Uebergewicht #11 Posted 20 February 2018 - 12:02 AM

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I´m pretty sure team bounces do not count towards missions. At the very least they dont show up in the "damage blocked" log, which is a strong indicator.

los_lobo #12 Posted 20 February 2018 - 12:07 AM

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^^  Thank you, that was the answer I was looking for. 

Homer_J #13 Posted 20 February 2018 - 12:10 AM

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View Postlos_lobo, on 19 February 2018 - 10:19 PM, said:

Sorry to be off, as to  "sucks to be on my team", if it does not count as friendly fire why not help someone to accomplish certain amount od dinged dmg? For example, ding 3x your hp, someone needs less than 1k and it is almost end of the fight, you help him by firing at ufp or some autobaunce area and bounce him one or two times and voila. You are not damaging him, you are not hurting your team. So where is the down side to this tactics?

 

It doesn't count as bounced damage.

 

Also rigging personal missions can do irreparable damage to your game account.

 

Also, I have seen someone go blue but not have done any team damage, it just takes a lot of shots.  Pz38H735 vs low tier low pen autocannon can do it.


Edited by Homer_J, 20 February 2018 - 12:14 AM.


los_lobo #14 Posted 20 February 2018 - 12:17 AM

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Thanks , that is why I asked.

As prem ammo spammers say :"It's using the game mechanics to your advantage"



Homer_J #15 Posted 20 February 2018 - 12:27 AM

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View Postlos_lobo, on 19 February 2018 - 11:17 PM, said:

Thanks , that is why I asked.

As prem ammo spammers say :"It's using the game mechanics to your advantage"

 

If you want to use game mechanics to help a friend then what you do is in the early hours of the morning you do a countdown and click battle together so you end up in opposite teams.  You then get reported, get all reward tanks removed and missions blocked so you can't try again.

 

Premium ammo as far as I am aware, is not against the rules.



los_lobo #16 Posted 20 February 2018 - 12:41 AM

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That, which you wrote is rigging, no doubt about it. What I asked can be understood as such. It was more food for thought than a real intention and I would ask for it to be treated as such.

 

As for enhanced ammo, I have my opinion about it and use it only if I am fired upon with it. I see it as retribution weapon.

 

So yes, we can consider this topic closed, as I got the answer(s)  to my question.

 


Edited by los_lobo, 20 February 2018 - 12:42 AM.


MattieW #17 Posted 20 February 2018 - 01:21 AM

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I’ve had a team mate bounce maybe 6 shots off the turret of my E100, no module damage was done.

They won’t turn blue from doing it and it doesn’t count as damage bounced, it’s just really annoying.



MeetriX #18 Posted 20 February 2018 - 04:06 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 19 February 2018 - 09:12 PM, said:

 

No it don't. Only zero damage crits counts. Like if you damage the tracks or gun etc, but still do zero damage. If it bounces off. No. Not sure about losing High caliber tho etc. As in if that counts as a "direct hit" or not.

 

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High caliber counts direct hits, but not ricochets or splash damage.



imendars #19 Posted 20 February 2018 - 09:21 AM

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View PostBaldrickk, on 19 February 2018 - 11:06 PM, said:

Yes, and no.

You don't get penalised for shots into allies if they do no damage at all.
I think you do get penalised for module damage (I don't really go around shooting allies, so I'm not 100% sure)

As for the ban system, it looks at a few things:
Damage inflicted to HP
Damage inflicted to module
Number of shots into allies

Damage is actually done as a ratio of team damage:enemy damage (when you go blue, you need to lower this ratio to a certain point to go back to normal)
Non damaging shots count for this.

 

Lies.

My friend was dinging on me and got banned for 1 hour. He dinged 2 times in a row, with third tracked me. something like that. it was some time ago.



uglycousin #20 Posted 20 February 2018 - 09:27 AM

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View Postimendars, on 20 February 2018 - 10:21 AM, said:

My friend was dinging on me ...

 







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