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magnus417 #1 Posted 20 February 2018 - 12:38 PM

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So like every good scrub I am grinding towards the not OP at all 268-4.  The SU 100M1 I loved played like a small 268-4 right in the face style.  Started on Saturday morning finished Saturday night.  It's not often I enjoy a tank so much.

 

So onto the SU 101.  I am grinding from stock after using lots of free xp to get arty for completing SPG 15 missions.  I was expecting to play it like the M1.  Stock it was a horrible.  I cant get the armour at all.  Sometimes it bounces t10 guns then the next minute a tiger 2 pens me.  I assumed the 54 gun would be useable but expensive (heat)  but nope gun is too flaky to use from distance.  Standard pen not usable in T9,10.  The heat is nice but with the accuracy, you can guarantee to hit tracks or spaced armour!  SO I knew the 3rd gun is rubbish.  After a 100k grind I get the fourth gun which is more useable with 258 standard pen and 340 heat.  First shot with its hits borsig no damage crit! 

 

I am clearly a tard and i need of help.  Maybe 3 1/2 weeks of playing arty has melted my brain!  I HATE this tank please help.  150k to go for the 263.....................



doriansky1 #2 Posted 20 February 2018 - 12:47 PM

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The armor cannot work since in most cases you are bottom tier. Apart from the mantlet, the entire tank is pennetrable with auto-aim. I had the same frustrations with JPanther II ....at least SU-101 has decent cammo values.

Easha #3 Posted 20 February 2018 - 12:53 PM

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Possible solution? Rollback to 9.21 when it was a decent and UNIQUE vehicle thanks to the 100mm gun. After the new patch you have to embrace the abomination it has become.

 

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baribal_80 #4 Posted 20 February 2018 - 01:43 PM

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If it was a bit taller like the JPII it would be easier to only show superstructure but currently it's a pain. Just plow through

TsundereWaffle #5 Posted 20 February 2018 - 01:55 PM

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Only option to get the 2684 is by free xp’ing past the 101 and 263

Balc0ra #6 Posted 20 February 2018 - 02:08 PM

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View PostEasha, on 20 February 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

Possible solution? Rollback to 9.21 when it was a decent and UNIQUE vehicle thanks to the 100mm gun. After the new patch you have to embrace the abomination it has become.

 

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Even then it was a terrible stock grind. And I suspect it's worse now with the new dispersion values.

 

Armor only worked vs tier 6 guns or when you did pull back over a ride line, and it got more of an angle. And now it's not even a long range support tank. They want to you to brawl with it. And it's not even great at that most times.



Easha #7 Posted 20 February 2018 - 02:26 PM

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It's not like that was to be expected, as stated here. Wargaming decided to ignore the feedback as usual.

 

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doriansky1 #8 Posted 20 February 2018 - 02:35 PM

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View PostEasha, on 20 February 2018 - 02:26 PM, said:

It's not like that was to be expected, as stated here. Wargaming decided to ignore the feedback as usual.

 

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Easha

 

In the link you shared there is someone who thinks Obj 268 v4 should be buffed. Hope in humanity..lost.

magnus417 #9 Posted 20 February 2018 - 03:35 PM

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Thanks for all the replies.  It looks like it is best used as a Friday night tank when the pain can be fully anesthetised!  I was really hoping that I had just got the tank wrong.  My damage done and bounced in the T7 is much better on average.  I have had the odd good game but not many.  

 

God have mercy on my soul......... Maybe I will just take up yoloing  :playing:  ignore stats and just grind the POS out.



baribal_80 #10 Posted 20 February 2018 - 04:47 PM

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View PostTsundereWaffle, on 20 February 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

Only option to get the 2684 is by free xp’ing past the 101 and 263

 

263 seems strong. Yeah the dpm is meh but the armor is gut.

TsundereWaffle #11 Posted 20 February 2018 - 05:38 PM

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View Postbaribal_80, on 20 February 2018 - 04:47 PM, said:

 

263 seems strong. Yeah the dpm is meh but the armor is gut.

 

263 is pathetic

magnus417 #12 Posted 20 February 2018 - 07:44 PM

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View PostTsundereWaffle, on 20 February 2018 - 04:38 PM, said:

 

263 is pathetic

 

You have just cheered me up! 

 

I have found the 101 niche shooting t6's..... Just had a game 4.3k damage.  First 6 shots of the game fully aimed 300m stationary target 2 hits no damage and 3 no hits.  JUST WTF POS!  Now you are telling me the 263 is just as bad now..................................................................



TsundereWaffle #13 Posted 20 February 2018 - 11:21 PM

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View Postmagnus417, on 20 February 2018 - 07:44 PM, said:

 

You have just cheered me up! 

 

I have found the 101 niche shooting t6's..... Just had a game 4.3k damage.  First 6 shots of the game fully aimed 300m stationary target 2 hits no damage and 3 no hits.  JUST WTF POS!  Now you are telling me the 263 is just as bad now..................................................................

 

Yeah, they completely ruined the line this patch... but hey, WG listens to the community right? :^)

SweetKill3r #14 Posted 20 February 2018 - 11:29 PM

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View Postmagnus417, on 20 February 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

So like every good scrub I am grinding towards the not OP at all 268-4.  The SU 100M1 I loved played like a small 268-4 right in the face style.  Started on Saturday morning finished Saturday night.  It's not often I enjoy a tank so much.

 

So onto the SU 101.  I am grinding from stock after using lots of free xp to get arty for completing SPG 15 missions.  I was expecting to play it like the M1.  Stock it was a horrible.  I cant get the armour at all.  Sometimes it bounces t10 guns then the next minute a tiger 2 pens me.  I assumed the 54 gun would be useable but expensive (heat)  but nope gun is too flaky to use from distance.  Standard pen not usable in T9,10.  The heat is nice but with the accuracy, you can guarantee to hit tracks or spaced armour!  SO I knew the 3rd gun is rubbish.  After a 100k grind I get the fourth gun which is more useable with 258 standard pen and 340 heat.  First shot with its hits borsig no damage crit! 

 

I am clearly a tard and i need of help.  Maybe 3 1/2 weeks of playing arty has melted my brain!  I HATE this tank please help.  150k to go for the 263.....................

 

im farming this tank.. and i like this line.. mobility great camo, 440dmg..on tier 10 - 340 pen (on gold)..

camo net, binoculars .... with 122m you have 0,42... what you expect .. 100% shot's in "dot" 

 


Edited by SweetKill3r, 20 February 2018 - 11:29 PM.


Uebergewicht #15 Posted 21 February 2018 - 09:17 AM

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This tank sucks at supporting but doesnt have the capabilities to take on stronger enemies directly. I thought it was hard to make this thing even worse than before, but WG delivered.

 

While I havent played the new 263, it seems to be a lot more manageable with armor that can bounce pretty much anything as long as you hide the lower plate, and respectable alpha and pen. Looks a lot more fun to me than the SU-122-54 it replaced, which I hated dearly.



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View PostUebergewicht, on 21 February 2018 - 10:17 AM, said:

While I havent played the new 263, it seems to be a lot more manageable with armor that can bounce pretty much anything as long as you hide the lower plate, and respectable alpha and pen. Looks a lot more fun to me than the SU-122-54 it replaced, which I hated dearly.

 

Problem is that WG completely butchered mobility (they're still fast, but only when driving in a straight line), DPM and accuracy, so most of what defined that line previously. Basically they're now turretless (fast) heavy tanks. Previously you could often dominate your enemies in a 1v1 due to superior DPM, great mobility and decent armor. Now you kinda have to rely on your armor alone and just hope that you're not getting flanked as even many heavies can just circle-strafe even without perma-tracking you.

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View PostGeno1isme, on 21 February 2018 - 10:07 AM, said:

 

Problem is that WG completely butchered mobility (they're still fast, but only when driving in a straight line), DPM and accuracy, so most of what defined that line previously. Basically they're now turretless (fast) heavy tanks. Previously you could often dominate your enemies in a 1v1 due to superior DPM, great mobility and decent armor. Now you kinda have to rely on your armor alone and just hope that you're not getting flanked as even many heavies can just circle-strafe even without perma-tracking you.

 

WG also didn't buff the armour on the SU101 like they did on the SU100M1 to compensate. 

 

Oh and don't compare the SU101 with the China's premium equivalent the WZ120-1G FT, wow that's how bad it is. 

 

I just unlocked and bought the SU101 last night, haven't moved the crew over yet as I consider if I will grind gun marks on the SU100M1 as it's not a bad little TD. 

 


Edited by ExistanceUK, 21 February 2018 - 10:20 AM.


magnus417 #18 Posted 21 February 2018 - 10:16 AM

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I am running BIA, Vents, Food, Rammer and Gun Lay and this get the potato gun down to 2 sec aim time, 9.97 reload and .37 dispersion.  For what is meant to be an assault TD the armour is just not useable.  Trying to use it as a sniper won't work because of potato gun.  Trying to use net and binocs would make it even worse.  You fire you miss get spotted and dead because armour doesn't work and low hp.  

 

Its a lose lose situation.  I know why I find it easy to kill them now in my type 64 :trollface:



clixor #19 Posted 21 February 2018 - 10:34 AM

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I'm still doubting what the best gun is on the 101. DPM is more or less the same with all guns (which is a huge nerf to the old 101 imo). But 'top' gun is a bit too derpy, so atm i'm playing with the t54 gun.



ExistanceUK #20 Posted 21 February 2018 - 01:20 PM

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It's still odd that this tank has such bad DPM when it does not have the strong points the rest of the tree gets in compensation (as the bad DPM is the balancing factor for having good speed and armour).

 

This tier 8 TD has worse armour than the tier 7 in the line, it's like they forgot about it (or it's working as intended as a free XP sink). 

 


Edited by ExistanceUK, 21 February 2018 - 01:22 PM.





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