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Rod_75 #1 Posted 20 February 2018 - 06:45 PM

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Hello guys.

Dont want to add any commentary, just to show you my recent result battle.

Of course winning team and i didnt get the chevron.

 

Look the attached picture. No manipulation. I have originals, ofc.

Also opened a ticket. I'm curious to see the answer.

 

Enjoy your ranked battles.


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Balc0ra #2 Posted 20 February 2018 - 06:53 PM

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A: how much assist did the IS-7 get. And B: How much of his and yours damage did you do on others spotting. As even the E4 above you got more XP for 1K damage. If you lot did all of that as assist damage to others. And the IS-7 did that on his own spotting. Then I can see that.

 

As I'm sure you know, you lose 50% of the XP pr damage point you do on what others spot for you.



Rod_75 #3 Posted 21 February 2018 - 02:46 AM

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Balcora, seems you don't really know how reward system works.

A: in the picture you see the assisted damage, that is spotting and tracking.
B: we were on different areas, so i didn't used any of his spots. All my shots were on my own targets, point blank shots.

Your last sentence is a [edited].
Check wiki.

Who deal damage scores xp depending on how much dmg does to enemy, the tier it is and the tier the target is.
If there is anyone spotting the damaged target, the spotter (or the one who has tracked the tank) receives half the xp that the dealer do.
This is the wiki.
It os NOT that the dealer of the dmg is penalized.

Do you want the replay?
To see how the match gone?
I can upload it.

To continue, pls read and understand the wiki.
I appreciate constructive replies.
Your wasn't.

Thank you

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Homer_J #4 Posted 21 February 2018 - 03:09 AM

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View PostRod_75, on 21 February 2018 - 01:46 AM, said:


Check wiki.
 

When it comes to EXP don't bother, it's out of date guesswork.



kaneloon #5 Posted 21 February 2018 - 03:24 AM

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View PostHomer_J, on 21 February 2018 - 02:09 AM, said:

When it comes to EXP don't bother, it's out of date guesswork.

No wiki is clear and as Balc0ra said, but it is useless to try to convince when some1 "knows" he is right. And OP will say now that he hasn't the replay anymore.



Homer_J #6 Posted 21 February 2018 - 03:32 AM

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View Postkaneloon, on 21 February 2018 - 02:24 AM, said:

No wiki is clear 

Wiki was written by players based on rumour and guesswork.  There's quite a lot of stuff we know about which is missing.

 

WG has nothing to do with Wiki content apart from hosting it.


Edited by Homer_J, 21 February 2018 - 03:33 AM.


kaneloon #7 Posted 21 February 2018 - 03:48 AM

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Hi. Anyrhing you say, but it makes sense that XP does not come from nowhere and is just dispatched between spotter and dealer. If not XP total amount would change.

Plus it suits what you live every battle : arty only gets few XP vs their damage.



Rod_75 #8 Posted 21 February 2018 - 05:12 AM

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View Postkaneloon, on 21 February 2018 - 03:24 AM, said:

No wiki is clear and as Balc0ra said, but it is useless to try to convince when some1 "knows" he is right. And OP will say now that he hasn't the replay anymore.

 

http://wotreplays.eu...t_268_version_4

 

Bye

 

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Rod_75 #9 Posted 21 February 2018 - 05:23 AM

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View Postkaneloon, on 21 February 2018 - 03:48 AM, said:

Hi. Anyrhing you say, but it makes sense that XP does not come from nowhere and is just dispatched between spotter and dealer. If not XP total amount would change.

Plus it suits what you live every battle : arty only gets few XP vs their damage.

 

Yes, and what's the point?

Arties surely get lower XP, cause their damage is always assisted (ok, not always, like when you kill that scout coming to you..).

 

Wiki is the only source we have.

And yes, it's made by players.

And yes, the XP reward page isn't updated.

 

And?

Is there any way to get an aswer, or a clarification about what is going?

The main difference we can see is that 268v4 is a TD and IS7 a HT.

All this make the difference?

 

Rough math (try to follow and understand me).

IS7 scored 981 dmg + 688 assist. If the dmg is direct he scores 1,669 dmg combined.

268v4 scored 2,128 dmg + 983 assist. If the dmg is direct (as it is), i score 3,111 dmg combined.

Dont count other data, like spotted vehicles, damaged vehicles, distance, accuracy, shot received (just to do this calc).

268v4 scores 86% MORE combined damage.

268v4 scores 3,4% LESS XP.

 

If the difference is all dued to the class... ok, it is possible.

 

At this point, is it correct?

Is this fair?

 

Personally i think there is something wrong.

And not for the personal case.

I have seen lot of situations where the reward systems just seem to have failed.

 

We dont have any information about the reward system and this is bad.

I think we should have a reference, an aknowledgement.

 

If you take AW as example (fotn remeber WT, sorry) they give you a clear and detailed report.

Each voice of what have you done and the reward.

 

Cheers


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jabster #10 Posted 21 February 2018 - 06:09 AM

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View PostRod_75, on 20 February 2018 - 05:45 PM, said:

Hello guys.

Dont want to add any commentary, just to show you my recent result battle.

Of course winning team and i didnt get the chevron.

 

Look the attached picture. No manipulation. I have originals, ofc.

Also opened a ticket. I'm curious to see the answer.

 

Enjoy your ranked battles.


Rod

 

I wouldn’t expect anything from CS as I seriously doubt they are any more knowledgeable, quite possibly less, than the players themselves. WG have always been a bit vauge about the details of exp. and I don’t see that changing anytime soon.

 

You do sometimes see cases where things don’t seem to add but then again if you don’t really know how exp. is gained that’s to be expected.



Homer_J #11 Posted 21 February 2018 - 06:21 AM

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View PostRod_75, on 21 February 2018 - 04:23 AM, said:

 

IS7 scored 981 dmg + 688 assist. If the dmg is direct he scores 1,669 dmg combined.

 

I don't know why you are obsessing over the IS-7 when the AMX30 and Type 5 did less damage than you but ended waaayyy higher up the table.

 

Like I said the other day, there's nothing like ranked battles to bring out the analists in WoT.

 

We don't know how exp is calculated and I'm pretty certain nor does anyone at WG.


Edited by Homer_J, 21 February 2018 - 06:21 AM.


kaneloon #12 Posted 21 February 2018 - 06:55 AM

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Ok for the replay :)

From one tank to another, even in the same class there were always those strange differences.

I suppose they just give xp accordingly to each tank model, to roughly have the same medium xp in all the tanks.

The only buff I really noticed is the number of kills.



Agent_327 #13 Posted 21 February 2018 - 07:47 AM

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Wg have never revealed exactly how your xp is calculated. They have stated most of the things that are in the wiki but as Homer says it's player written. You could get xp for all kind of things like taking a shot where a friendly tank was right behind you and a lot of other stuff. We really don't know.

Bwm were probably a better teamplayer than Rod_75 for all we know.. (I haven't seen the replay)

 

But where's the problem? You didn't do much and you didn't receive a chevron. It must be the russian bias.. Oh wait no.. :teethhappy:
 


Edited by Agent_327, 21 February 2018 - 07:57 AM.


Tinbawx #14 Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:09 AM

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Well, you get less XP for shooting lower tiers, you where fighting T10s in a T11 tank.:trollface:

 

 

On a more serious note, from the postgame stats it looks quite unplausible. The only explaination I can come up with is combination of not self spotting (even if all the damage was dealt from within 300m) and not getting any close quarters bonus (for damage within 200m). While IS-7 self spotted and got cq bonus.

Other than that I can´t think of anything outside bugged XP gain for 268 4.

 

 

 

 



the_Haba #15 Posted 21 February 2018 - 09:51 AM

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You get extra XP for surviving longer. Yes, camping at red line while not moving and dying last. That's how WG measures player contribution to the battle, kappa.

PointZero #16 Posted 21 February 2018 - 10:03 AM

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Well since you were yoloing all over the place and all your damage was done under 200m range which would qualify you for the Close combat bonus I'm just going to poke at the dark and say

 

Tank specific balancing factor - Tank specific coefficient, assumed to be 1 for all tanks. Assumed, so it could be lower for TD's with reasonably high alpha damage since they frequently score high damage games that would show up as high xp scored unless it is balanced somehow. Compare dealing 5000 dmg in a MT vs hitting 5 shots in the JPE100.

 

Team performance factor - Coefficient based on the total damage inflicted to the enemy team by your team. Maybe the team managed to inflict a lot of damage during the couple of seconds the IS-7 was alive after you died.

 

Other than that 10/10 attitude, "So, i posted on the Forum, and some [edited](wiki: branch or twig, or bundle of these) said no replay." also loved the way you kept distracting the player in the batchat with your "Does you clan know you play like this?" "Can you at least manage to kill the arty?" and implying he was padding his stats when he was busy trying to win the game. Waiting for the "Your last sentence is a [edited]." mark of approval.



Rod_75 #17 Posted 21 February 2018 - 05:45 PM

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@tinbaw and @the_haba, really thank you for your writings. And especially for the time you both spent seeing the replay.
Really appreciate.

@pointzero, maybe that factor, yes, it could have sense. And in this case should be a damn known factor.
For team performance factor... Hmm, strange.

About the actitudes, yes, you are right.
Sometimes I am an [edited].
Típically I play with team chat OFF.
Don't remember if I turned it on in that battle or was already active.
That Kazna demonstrated to be pro.
Calm, and ignoring the chat.
Fortunately.

I have to manage my reactions.
Actually team chat is off again.
Bit sometimes it is very hard to resist to talk.

Now?
I'll keep playing my tanks and possibly have to learn to ignore mates results.
By the way is impossible to have any info by WG, or we could understand the rigging system they have, and complain for every single number/data they give us.
It's like playing with a finger in the [edited].

Thank you all.
Some more some none.

Rod

Azgabast #18 Posted 21 February 2018 - 05:53 PM

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We could say xp gains are as balanced as shell costs, although we know exactly what the shell costs and benefits are. (Seriously T-150s 300 alpha gun costs 270/shot).

HoZee34 #19 Posted 21 February 2018 - 06:21 PM

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Guys, this XP calculation is a joke... In my last battle I was 2nd in dmg, had a kill, and were 11th in xp?! The two IS7's did less than a half what I did, and made almost nothing during the battle! Omg this is ridiculous... 

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vasilinhorulezz #20 Posted 21 February 2018 - 08:27 PM

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Some guy starts a thread about IS-7s rigged xp gains, two days later, threads like this start popping up.






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