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MysterioMax #1 Posted 22 February 2018 - 08:55 PM

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There was a time, where MM and premtanks were normal. I could play my Superpershing all day long it was my favorite tank.I got even a gunmark on it. The worst that could happen to it was rarely getting into a t9 match with maybe 3 toptiers. But all the new premiumtanks and the new MM made the Superp unenjoyable and i dont even bother to play it anymore. I rarely see the superp in toptiers. Its allways t8 only and t9 MM. It have low pen (even after buff it can´t pen/hold up with new prems and t9 tanks reliable). It has good frontal Armor but it also have weakspots and is SuperSlow(in comparison to the defender it has armor speed and a decent gun).Or look at the Patriot T26E5.It is better in every damn category: Faster reload, more pen, very good turret. smaller weakspots. Faster (better engine), the only downside it have is, it doesnt have that spaced armor and sees t10 tanks and thats it. I rather see t10 tanks with an very good tank like the patriot than playing an underperforming tank that have left the good days behind. It can´t keep up even in only t8 matches. its more a tank between t7 and t8. I payed less money for a prem tank so it needs to be worse in every aspect to its more expensive brother? 

 

To somehow making it competetive again i would suggest to give it the same gun as the Patriot with the same reload because i didnt bought a prem just to use gold.

192 pen is really bad (compared to the patriots 230 apcr pen even more)

Well 192 pen could be good if i could flank tanks. But with the superp its not the case. You can´t flank anyone with its speed and mobility. Give it an power to weight ratio of 15-16 to make it somehow quick.

And extend the pref MM feature so it can´t see t9s. Back than t9 wouldnt bother me but now the only thing i see is t9s.

 

Or just remove the tank completly and give back the whole 7200 Gold. Not your 50% for another prem scam.

 

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Enderman21 #2 Posted 22 February 2018 - 09:02 PM

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Balc0ra #3 Posted 22 February 2018 - 09:14 PM

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View PostMysterioMax, on 22 February 2018 - 08:55 PM, said:

192 pen is really bad (compared to the patriots 230 apcr pen even more)

 

It was 171 pen before. So be happy that it's still not that. The Pershing that this tank is based on has 190mm pen on his 90mm. Patriot is a HT, and it's expected to brawl with other HT's like the VK 100.01. And it also sees tier X armor. You, not so much. But the pen was buffed past the normal Pershing since that's how most played it anyway and went the HT line, and to make it the same as most tier 8 mediums that still face +2. Armor is not that superb anymore vs before with the new meta. So most stay away from the HT line until late game.

 

Most don't want the gun buffed. They want the engine buffed. Lowe had the same issue. It got the "historical" 1000 HP engine, and it became more workable. People want the same for this. Not more pen or ROF.

 

Mine still works and I still enjoy it, and it's my go to income tank along side the Lowe. I only have 5 gold rounds on it. And it still print credits as the ammo is dirt cheap.

 

View PostMysterioMax, on 22 February 2018 - 08:55 PM, said:

Or just remove the tank completly and give back the whole 7200 Gold. Not your 50% for another prem scam.

 

They did that once. Back in patch 8.6 in 2013 or 14. The removed it from the tech tree to change it's armor layout and gave the option for players to sell it for 7200 gold. So you are a bit to late for that refund. In patch 8.8 they added it back, but they removed the 2nd plate and made it a part of the hull, and lowered it at the same time. Basically a massive nerf. So the upper hull could be penned by even a short 88. They also reduced the angle on the lower hull, so it bounced way less to. Due to the drastic changes of characteristics. You were able to sell it for gold for a limited time. I did still keep it. My WR in it dropped like a rock due to the non working armor. They did not change back until patch 9.8 to make better vs before. In 9.17 the gun pen was buffed from 171 to 192. Same as most +2 MM mediums.


Edited by Balc0ra, 22 February 2018 - 09:16 PM.


Yaccay #4 Posted 22 February 2018 - 09:26 PM

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I tell you a big secret.....

WG will NEVER refund, will NEVER compensate.

Because money is the most important.



c0keb0ttle #5 Posted 22 February 2018 - 09:27 PM

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View PostYaccay, on 22 February 2018 - 09:26 PM, said:

I tell you a big secret.....

WG will NEVER refund, will NEVER compensate.

Because money is the most important.

 

I tell you a big secret.....

 

WG has already done that once before with the SuperP.



Balc0ra #6 Posted 22 February 2018 - 09:47 PM

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View PostYaccay, on 22 February 2018 - 09:26 PM, said:

I tell you a big secret.....

WG will NEVER refund, will NEVER compensate.

Because money is the most important.

 

As I said. They already compensated for a past nerf on it. And it's that exact backlash that is the reason why they don't nerf premiums anymore. Then again, it's virtual currency in game. They lose nothing on it vs if they gave real money back.

CaptainMastiff #7 Posted 22 February 2018 - 09:52 PM

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I bought it when it first came out, then it get nerfed and shafted. They then offered a refund, I had stopped playing the game for a while. I returned and the tank was nothing like what it was before but because I missed the refund window I wouldn't get anything in return.

Thanks WG!

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Cannes76 #9 Posted 22 February 2018 - 10:19 PM

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Funny thing is that the super pershing is actually one of the few smm tanks that is still worth playing in the current meta. Recently 3-marked it myself and play it often. Overall though, I think WG should rebalance all the smm tanks for normal mm already.

Homer_J #10 Posted 22 February 2018 - 10:54 PM

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View PostYaccay, on 22 February 2018 - 08:26 PM, said:

 

WG will NEVER refund, will NEVER compensate.

 

Strange.  I sold mine back for gold.  Even though i knew it was going to be nerfed when I bought it.  And I got full price back even though I bought it on discount.

 

Funny how the truth is different to what you are saying isn't it.



MysterioMax #11 Posted 22 February 2018 - 11:58 PM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 22 February 2018 - 09:14 PM, said:

 

It was 171 pen before. So be happy that it's still not that. The Pershing that this tank is based on has 190mm pen on his 90mm. Patriot is a HT, and it's expected to brawl with other HT's like the VK 100.01. And it also sees tier X armor. You, not so much. But the pen was buffed past the normal Pershing since that's how most played it anyway and went the HT line, and to make it the same as most tier 8 mediums that still face +2. Armor is not that superb anymore vs before with the new meta. So most stay away from the HT line until late game.

 

Most don't want the gun buffed. They want the engine buffed. Lowe had the same issue. It got the "historical" 1000 HP engine, and it became more workable. People want the same for this. Not more pen or ROF.

 

Mine still works and I still enjoy it, and it's my go to income tank along side the Lowe. I only have 5 gold rounds on it. And it still print credits as the ammo is dirt cheap.

 

 

They did that once. Back in patch 8.6 in 2013 or 14. The removed it from the tech tree to change it's armor layout and gave the option for players to sell it for 7200 gold. So you are a bit to late for that refund. In patch 8.8 they added it back, but they removed the 2nd plate and made it a part of the hull, and lowered it at the same time. Basically a massive nerf. So the upper hull could be penned by even a short 88. They also reduced the angle on the lower hull, so it bounced way less to. Due to the drastic changes of characteristics. You were able to sell it for gold for a limited time. I did still keep it. My WR in it dropped like a rock due to the non working armor. They did not change back until patch 9.8 to make better vs before. In 9.17 the gun pen was buffed from 171 to 192. Same as most +2 MM mediums.

 

Yeah i know it had 170 pen. The buff with the 190 was good but back then, now with all the tanks today, it just got completly power creeped. The Superp is supposed to brawl enemys too . I mean it doesnt have a "medium tank" mobility to flank past the enemys and neither it has the best accuracy to support from the distance (you need to consider you often need to hit weakspots with unreliable 0.36/0.35 accuracy and  + not the best pen makes it even harder to play support). Atleast make it slightly more accurate and give it 10-20 pen more and i wouldnt complain anymore. Or leave the accuracy and instead lower the reload for 1 sek or smthing like this.

 

Yeah it doesnt meet t10 but by which price? 

 

You really cant compare Löwe Gun and SuperP gun. With the Engine buff like i said previous, i agree with you but in my opinion the gun need some tweaks too.

 

I got my SuperP somewhere 2015/2016 and so i missed the sale, but back than i did not want to sell it because it was a good tank (even with 170 pen). But now i would welcome such an oppurtunity again.

 

 

 



PoIestar #12 Posted 23 February 2018 - 12:09 AM

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WG did once refund the SP indeed, when they radically changed it and weren't sure about the changes.

 

Old prems don't go with the new meta. It's a sad and hard truth and you'll have to accept it.



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They already changed it once and offerd full recharge. Doubt they gonna do that agian , its a cheap premium that brings in credits. If you want someting that carry games get the E5 or any of the other S tier premiums.

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View PostMysterioMax, on 22 February 2018 - 11:58 PM, said:

You really cant compare Löwe Gun and SuperP gun. With the Engine buff like i said previous, i agree with you but in my opinion the gun need some tweaks too.

 

You can't. Just like you can't compare the Patriot to it. As giving it the Patriot pen and DPM with pref MM is a bit... over the top tbh. As again they have +2 MM and face 250 mm+  armored super heavies. Considering just about every tier 8 medium have pen in the 190 area. Tho you can argue that the SP lacks mobility to use it as well at times.

 

View PostPoIestar, on 23 February 2018 - 12:09 AM, said:

WG did once refund the SP indeed, when they radically changed it and weren't sure about the changes.

 

Old prems don't go with the new meta. It's a sad and hard truth and you'll have to accept it.

 

Well the pref MM HT's like the IS-6, WZ-111 and KV-5 etc have been considered for major buffs "when WG finally gets around to it", as WG did want to remove their pref MM at one point and compensate them for it. Tho they did not mention it in their last Q&A. But the pref MM mediums like the SP and T-34-3 have not been mentioned with regards to it. So who knows if the SP or even the T-34-3 will get anything. Tho the T-34-3 needs it more then the SP.


Edited by Balc0ra, 23 February 2018 - 03:40 AM.


Dragonlordcv #15 Posted 23 February 2018 - 10:13 AM

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IS6 SP and KV5 have all issues with new MM. WG does not care so the only advice is not to buy any premium tank again. Only that will teach WG a lesson to remember.

Noo_Noo #16 Posted 23 February 2018 - 10:34 AM

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Its how quickly its fallen from being quite a decent tank to really poor that surprises me. 

 

I've been trying to train up a newish american medium crew of late and playing the Super Pershing is far from being a pleasant experience. It wasn't that long ago that it was ok. 


Edited by Noo_Noo, 23 February 2018 - 10:34 AM.


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I'm hoping one of the options for "fixing" pref mm prems will be to offer a full refund on them, until then, they're quite pretty to look at in my garage I guess :)

malachi6 #18 Posted 23 February 2018 - 03:39 PM

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I just checked.  I still have the super P in my garage from the special some years back.  57 battles played.  It has always been that "good" of a tank.

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I imagine something will be done with the Super P when they re-balance all the pref-MM tanks. 

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Exactly problems with t26e4 are:

1) useless armor dont think of space armor on this tank beacuse it is full of weak spots and peole mostly fire gold so armor pretty useless those old days are gone for layers of cake tank.

2)Dosent get medium speed,power to weight ratio is damn useless.

3)Gun 192 pen hmmm is ok but dpm for non autoloder only 1800 with bad dispersion is pretty useless.

 

 

Overall rating for tank 6/10.







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