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dimethylcadmium #1 Posted 25 February 2018 - 10:54 PM

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Why do people always use the derp on the KV-1S but never on the KV-1?! They also never play the KV-1S like a heavium so can't see that as an excuse. Is it because it looks better, with the thicker barrel and the fancy muzzle break? Some very secret tomato reason? 

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It even has worse gun handling than the derp on KV-1 + the extra speed blooms up the gun even more

Lycopersicon #3 Posted 25 February 2018 - 10:57 PM

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Not giving an answer, just subscribing to the question :) Somehow, indeed, the KV-1S seems to have the reputation of going better with the 122-mm, while KV-1 is almost exclusively played with the 85-mm, and this puzzles me, too.

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Dava_117 #4 Posted 25 February 2018 - 11:00 PM

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I think because KV-1 has better armour, so you play it as a real HT. KV-1S has worst armour hence need the derp to scare other HT and especially higher tier.

HugSeal #5 Posted 25 February 2018 - 11:17 PM

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The 1s has some mobility meaning you can actually somewhat get arond people to pen them. Also, there's a very old QB video where he states something along those lines so it muigth be there ti comes from.

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The above 

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I'm currently at the KV-1 & I have to move to the KV-1S & it looks like a step backwards based on armour.

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The KV-1S is away more mobile, and that makes the 122mm gun more reliable than in the KV-1

 

what usualy happens when an inferior tank see's a KV-1 is... they run away, or take cover, the 122mm gun reload is too slow, and the aim time is also very bad

you need to be in the face of the enemy for the gun to work, therefor, in the KV-1 the 122mm is less reliable compared to the 85mm

 

While in the KV-1S that changes completely, firstly the 85mm in the KV-1S only have 3 degree's of gun depression, and its not as good as it is in the KV-1

But the KV-1S is way more mobile than the KV-1, and that just makes the 122mm gun playable... you can hit other heavies and take cover way better than the kv-1

you can flank them,, and you can also keep up with mediums,

 

The gameplay is somehow similar to the IS at tier 7, you wait to your team to spot the enemies while you wait in the corner, and then bang... they see 50% of their health

vanish, 

 

140 heat penetration with 350 alpha at tier V? (... )  its like a joke that never stops being funny...  

 

*its the only tier V heavy i still have in my garage, and ocasionaly i still play it... just for the lols


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View PostKillingJoker, on 25 February 2018 - 10:28 PM, said:

The KV-1S is away more mobile, and that makes the 122mm gun more reliable than in the KV-1

 

what usualy happens when an inferior tank see's a KV-1 is... they run away, or take cover, the 122mm gun reload is too slow, and the aim time is also very bad

you need to be in the face of the enemy for the gun to work, therefor, in the KV-1 the 122mm is less reliable compared to the 85mm

 

While in the KV-1S that changes completely, firstly the 85mm in the KV-1S only have 3 degree's of gun depression, and its not as good as it is in the KV-1

But the KV-1S is way more mobile than the KV-1, and that just makes the 122mm gun playable... you can hit other heavies and take cover way better than the kv-1

you can flank them,, and you can also keep up with mediums,

 

The gameplay is somehow similar to the IS at tier 7, you wait to your team to spot the enemies while you wait in the corner, and then bang... they see 50% of their health

vanish, 

 

140 heat penetration with 350 alpha at tier V? (... )  its like a joke that never stops being funny...  

 

*its the only tier V heavy i still have in my garage, and ocasionaly i still play it... just for the lols

 

Yep, Whenever I'm in a KV-1 & its usually Leapards or any of the other fast tanks with those spurting guns that take away half your HP in one short burst. You can't track them because your turret rotation & tank traverse is poor. I like mobile tanks so maybe I'll enjoy the KV-1S better. Just its armour is poor.

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View PostVsUK, on 25 February 2018 - 11:38 PM, said:

 

Yep, Whenever I'm in a KV-1 & its usually Leapards or any of the other fast tanks with those spurting guns that take away half your HP in one short burst. You can't track them because your turret rotation & tank traverse is poor. I like mobile tanks so maybe I'll enjoy the KV-1S better. Just its armour is poor.

 

I enjoyed more KV-1 than KV-1S. I like armoured tanks, and the latter is just bad for my play style. I used the 85 mm gun in both and, while both have really awful gun handling, KV-1 can be angled to work well even against higher tier thanks to the omogeneous armour layout. Forget it in KV-1S and upper tier on that line!

 


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View PostKillingJoker, on 26 February 2018 - 12:28 AM, said:

The KV-1S is away more mobile, and that makes the 122mm gun more reliable than in the KV-1

 

what usualy happens when an inferior tank see's a KV-1 is... they run away, or take cover, the 122mm gun reload is too slow, and the aim time is also very bad

you need to be in the face of the enemy for the gun to work, therefor, in the KV-1 the 122mm is less reliable compared to the 85mm

 

While in the KV-1S that changes completely, firstly the 85mm in the KV-1S only have 3 degree's of gun depression, and its not as good as it is in the KV-1

But the KV-1S is way more mobile than the KV-1, and that just makes the 122mm gun playable... you can hit other heavies and take cover way better than the kv-1

you can flank them,, and you can also keep up with mediums,

 

The gameplay is somehow similar to the IS at tier 7, you wait to your team to spot the enemies while you wait in the corner, and then bang... they see 50% of their health

vanish, 

 

140 heat penetration with 350 alpha at tier V? (... )  its like a joke that never stops being funny...  

 

*its the only tier V heavy i still have in my garage, and ocasionaly i still play it... just for the lols

 

There's the answer! The rest doesn't seem to make much difference imho; you normally want as big bang as possible in your slow sturdy tanks, and for that reason, KV-1 should marry well with the 122-mm, it's just that the 85-mm with its good rate of fire and usable accuracy is even better. But the difference in 85-mm gun dep is massive, I didn't know about this and 3 degrees seems like a good enough excuse to stay away from the 85-mm in KV-1S.

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Thanks for the answers

LordMuffin #13 Posted 26 February 2018 - 08:51 AM

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I use the 122mm on the KV-1S because it looks better.

The KV-1 doesn't look good with the 122 so I use 85mm on that one.

Lord_Edge #14 Posted 26 February 2018 - 09:34 AM

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Generally after they have played the KV-1 with the EZ mode derp for a while a player will figure out how the tank's armour (angling/etc) works even if it's by accident, at which point they look to get more out of the tank by learning to use the higher DPM 85mm.

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https://tank-compare.com/en/compare/kv-1/kv-1/kv-1s#T1=394I299I239I493I173&T2=394I280I239I493I173&T3=343I438I233I427I173

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The "S" stands for Sport, it's the TDI model. You can now add speed stripes yourself.

Balc0ra #17 Posted 26 February 2018 - 10:02 PM

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It's the other way around for me. Been training a new HT crew for the 257 as it came without it. So 220 and Churchill III have been out a bit of late. Seen more derp KV-1 tanks, and more with the 85mm on the KV-1S.

 

View PostVsUK, on 25 February 2018 - 11:28 PM, said:

I'm currently at the KV-1 & I have to move to the KV-1S & it looks like a step backwards based on armour.

 

Usually the price you pay for several step up in mobility. Same hull armor head on, and a few tons more power to weight due to more engine power. Turret is easy to pen for most tho vs the KV-1. That's the issue with it. It's far from a brawler. Tho the higher ROF derp can help it trade better then most as top tier.


Edited by Balc0ra, 26 February 2018 - 10:09 PM.


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View PostDava_117, on 25 February 2018 - 10:51 PM, said:

 

I enjoyed more KV-1 than KV-1S. I like armoured tanks, and the latter is just bad for my play style. I used the 85 mm gun in both and, while both have really awful gun handling, KV-1 can be angled to work well even against higher tier thanks to the omogeneous armour layout. Forget it in KV-1S and upper tier on that line!

 

 

 

 

 

Are you serious about the 85mm having aweful gun handling?! :teethhappy:  because the 85mm is in my opinion quite accurate + fast reload on the kv1 and the shell velocity is also not bad.

The kv1 has 3 nice guns in my opinion , the small gun is actually also very deadly because it has super fast reload and is also accurate with good apcr (but the dmg per shot is low), the 122mm is mostly just for the fun because the reload is quite long so you cant really compete against other HTs.

For example when it happens when you're on your own at the end of the battle against 3+ tanks your reload time kills you ,as soon as you've shot your big gun you probably get overrun by fast little tanks that can circle you.  And when you're alone against a pack of HT's you gonna lose again because of the reload and the unreliable dmg rolls.

Ive got the kv1-s also but I havent played it as much as the kv1 , the armour is not really existing but thats traded for mobility.....wish the kv1 had that mobility :harp:

I think the 85 mm is a lot more reliable then the derp gun , you got a lot more chance to hit targets when your reload is faster ....while you're reloading the derp you already could have shot twice with the 85 mm gun.

One reason I can think of why the derp is used on the kv1s is because when you're top tier that gun is super fun when you can one shot a lot enemys.



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View Postjeffrey_mk2, on 27 February 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

 

 

 

 

Are you serious about the 85mm having aweful gun handling?! :teethhappy:  because the 85mm is in my opinion quite accurate + fast reload on the kv1 and the shell velocity is also not bad.

The kv1 has 3 nice guns in my opinion , the small gun is actually also very deadly because it has super fast reload and is also accurate with good apcr (but the dmg per shot is low), the 122mm is mostly just for the fun because the reload is quite long so you cant really compete against other HTs.

For example when it happens when you're on your own at the end of the battle against 3+ tanks your reload time kills you ,as soon as you've shot your big gun you probably get overrun by fast little tanks that can circle you.  And when you're alone against a pack of HT's you gonna lose again because of the reload and the unreliable dmg rolls.

Ive got the kv1-s also but I havent played it as much as the kv1 , the armour is not really existing but thats traded for mobility.....wish the kv1 had that mobility :harp:

I think the 85 mm is a lot more reliable then the derp gun , you got a lot more chance to hit targets when your reload is faster ....while you're reloading the derp you already could have shot twice with the 85 mm gun.

One reason I can think of why the derp is used on the kv1s is because when you're top tier that gun is super fun when you can one shot a lot enemys.

 

Aim time really kill that gun. I tryed it back after some month a few days ago, and litteraly I couldn't hit tanks at more than 50m. Not because of accuracy, but because they were already dead when I finally had a fully aimed shot! :teethhappy:

But I still prefere the 85mm, that is mounted on my KV-1 from years. More reliable gun, IMO.



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View PostAxelfoley666, on 26 February 2018 - 10:00 PM, said:

The "S" stands for Sport, it's the TDI model. You can now add speed stripes yourself.

 

That is actually close to the historical truth. They wanted a faster (sportier?) heavy tank, so one of the first things they tried was stripping down a KV-1. This resulted in something with T 34-85 armour levels but without t34-85 mobility... so it was abandoned. Instead they went with the IS (Iosef Stalin, or 'Incredibly Sporty'   _) line. 

Edited by DracheimFlug, 27 February 2018 - 10:51 AM.





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