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Jam_in_a_Tank_TwitchTv #1 Posted 26 February 2018 - 02:20 AM

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Hullo boyz and girlz,

 

So i was having a battle with me SU-101 tier 7 soviet td, i play it aggressive i like it and i do enjoy it. So i was in a platoon with a friend, got Lakeville, south spawn, and i was like, i go full in to the rock in the middle aggressive spot and stuff. So all good, i did got spotted got some shoots and and found an e25 snipping in the bush behind the rock. He had no option than to come at me so i was cool to use my armor and gun, all good untill we were face hugging pushing each other, and what happens got me like, da fak is wrong ??

 

He was actually pushing me backwards to the open rather than me pushing him backwards to the open, i mean i got outweighed?! emm hello?!

  

So i checked after the weights:

E25: 27/29 (max)

SU 101:32/34(max)

 

so, 29 tons were pushing me, 32 tons, like a paper.

 

And i am seating here eating cookies and thinking wtf yo ?

 

seriously any ideas, can someone explain ?

not that i care about the battle, or crying e25 op and shait, i am just asking seriously what is this now?!



Nazgarth #2 Posted 26 February 2018 - 02:30 AM

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On a related note; I also measure how powerful cars are by their weight.

malachi6 #3 Posted 26 February 2018 - 03:56 AM

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SU 101 17.6 hp/t

E25       26.6 hp/t

 

26>17

 

https://tanks.gg/tan...1/stats?cs=e-25



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View PostJam_in_a_Tank, on 26 February 2018 - 03:20 AM, said:

i am just asking seriously what is this now?!

What it always was: engines generate power to move weight.



Jam_in_a_Tank_TwitchTv #5 Posted 26 February 2018 - 04:05 AM

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View Postmalachi6, on 26 February 2018 - 03:56 AM, said:

SU 101 17.6 hp/t

E25       26.6 hp/t

 

26>17

 

https://tanks.gg/tan...1/stats?cs=e-25

 

SU-101M1 tier 7 it is man what i am speaking of, kinda my mistake on the name will fix it

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View PostJam_in_a_Tank, on 26 February 2018 - 05:05 AM, said:

 

SU-101M1 tier 7 it is man what i am speaking of, kinda my mistake on the name will fix it

 

Won't change a thing, p/w ratio is still better on the E25.

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View PostSpurtung, on 26 February 2018 - 04:03 AM, said:

What it always was: engines generate power to move weight.

 

power to weight you mean ? so we going that far with wot physics, seriously i have no clue

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View PostJam_in_a_Tank, on 26 February 2018 - 05:06 AM, said:

 

power to weight you mean ? so we going that far with wot physics, seriously i have no clue

 

Whenever one of you wants to push the other, his engine will push both vehicles. No need to even calculate power to weight ratio.

 

SU-100M1 has an engine with 500 or 520 h.p.

E25 has an engine with 700 h.p.

 

E25's engine will create more power, simple as that.

Only time your higher weight would be useful is in a ramming scenario.


Edited by Spurtung, 26 February 2018 - 04:15 AM.


Eaglax #9 Posted 26 February 2018 - 08:12 AM

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View PostSpurtung, on 26 February 2018 - 04:15 AM, said:

 

Whenever one of you wants to push the other, his engine will push both vehicles. No need to even calculate power to weight ratio.

 

SU-100M1 has an engine with 500 or 520 h.p.

E25 has an engine with 700 h.p.

 

E25's engine will create more power, simple as that.

Only time your higher weight would be useful is in a ramming scenario.

 

that's too simple....you can't just ignore the weight, otherwise a Ru251(900hp) could push a T95(780hp), while I never tried it, I really don't think that this would be the way it works...

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View PostEaglax, on 26 February 2018 - 07:12 AM, said:

 

that's too simple....you can't just ignore the weight, otherwise a Ru251(900hp) could push a T95(780hp), while I never tried it, I really don't think that this would be the way it works...

 

Unless the game models different gear ratios it probably could (from a standing start).



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View PostConsett_Steel, on 26 February 2018 - 07:14 AM, said:

 

Unless the game models different gear ratios it probably could (from a standing start).

No, gear box of engine of slow tanks give more power at low speed.

Try to push a truck with a ferrari, you will soon get a burning ferrari.

 

Edit : i don t even know if a tank with a forward gear on could rear without breaking something if pushed backwards ?


Edited by kaneloon, 26 February 2018 - 08:29 AM.


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View PostEaglax, on 26 February 2018 - 07:12 AM, said:

 

that's too simple....you can't just ignore the weight, otherwise a Ru251(900hp) could push a T95(780hp), while I never tried it, I really don't think that this would be the way it works...

 

When the weight disparity is large enough, I'd imagine traction comes into play more then. The heavier vehicle has more traction due to more weight pushing down on the tracks so it doesn't slide as easily. But in OP's case the tanks are very similar in weight, so it's more down to engine power and soft stats, both of which are far better on the E 25.

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Porsche Cayenne towing an A380:

 

 

Weight does not appear to be the main issue.



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View Postmalachi6, on 26 February 2018 - 07:28 AM, said:

Porsche Cayenne towing an A380:

 

 

Weight does not appear to be the main issue.

 

Try doing that when the plane hits the brakes. Not gonna move anymore.

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View Postmalachi6, on 26 February 2018 - 08:28 AM, said:

Porsche Cayenne towing an A380:

 

 

Weight does not appear to be the main issue.

 

:facepalm:

that's a completely different scenario....



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View Postmalachi6, on 26 February 2018 - 07:28 AM, said:

Porsche Cayenne towing an A380:

 

 

Weight does not appear to be the main issue.

Replay of its fake news.

More seriously it doesn t really prove anything ;)

A man can push a car, but I wont bet on a man in a man vs car encounter.

 



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Try pushing it with the engines ON lolo

malachi6 #18 Posted 26 February 2018 - 08:49 AM

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Point is, given traction and power.  Weight is a non issue.  As raised by the OP.  Thanks all of you for missing that.  But hey another target to take a dig at right?  Stock forum behaviour I guess.

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View Postmalachi6, on 26 February 2018 - 07:49 AM, said:

Point is, given traction and power.  Weight is a non issue.  As raised by the OP.  Thanks all of you for missing that.  But hey another target to take a dig at right?  Stock forum behaviour I guess.

 

You just ninjaerd the reply I was going to make! As for the OP, I’ve never really thought about the mechanic of this in WoT (time to have a look at the wiki one feels) but even though I’m no expert I’d assume in real life trying to push a tank that wasn’t ‘cooperating’ was incredible hard.



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View PostEaglax, on 26 February 2018 - 07:12 AM, said:

 

that's too simple....you can't just ignore the weight, otherwise a Ru251(900hp) could push a T95(780hp), while I never tried it, I really don't think that this would be the way it works...

 

Of course you can ignore the weight as both tanks are moving the combined weight of both tanks so it's just down to which has the most power (though in the real world traction would also play a part).




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