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ignaskarate #1 Posted 27 February 2018 - 08:13 AM

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Why you cant get compensation for dead crew members? If teammate shots you, you get compensated, for tank repair. In the midle of game i was brawling with enemy +1 tier and someone knoks out commander, it was last game, and i spend med kit to revive it, i got only 700 silver back only for tank repair. I had no vision range, no six sense, my reload went 1,5 time longer, aim worse, longer, speed between shot longer too and im not getting it compensated! Why?

ThebaldEagle #2 Posted 27 February 2018 - 08:18 AM

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You got compensation for materiel dmg be happy for that. Crews are soft casualtys not metal that got damaged,

Just get over it it is same for all, and go to next battle.



beercritch #3 Posted 27 February 2018 - 08:31 AM

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what i cant understand if you get done by team damage it ruins your game and cost you credits. At the absolute very least the guy who gets hit should have a blank game where repair costs are zero

Eaglax #4 Posted 27 February 2018 - 09:43 AM

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View Postbeercritch, on 27 February 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

what i cant understand if you get done by team damage it ruins your game and cost you credits. At the absolute very least the guy who gets hit should have a blank game where repair costs are zero

 

"just shoot a platoon/teammate (at the end of the game) and he doesn't have to pay the repair costs"

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did you even think about the consequences for 1 second?



ignaskarate #5 Posted 28 February 2018 - 12:51 PM

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I understand that all i can do is to try to play and pretend nothing is happened. But game has feature to compensate for broken tank if it is a teammate fault, the same shoud be with knocking off tanker. You have to play with dead crew, performe worse than normaly and after all pay for team damage that you received. In one game i accidentaly was shot by my platoon, he got charged 6000, i received 3000. WG stoled-3000.

FIX IT, please-charge and payment should be the same size, damage and crew members done by team should be fixed FOR FEE



ThebaldEagle #6 Posted 28 February 2018 - 12:59 PM

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View Postignaskarate, on 28 February 2018 - 12:51 PM, said:

I understand that all i can do is to try to play and pretend nothing is happened. But game has feature to compensate for broken tank if it is a teammate fault, the same shoud be with knocking off tanker. You have to play with dead crew, performe worse than normaly and after all pay for team damage that you received. In one game i accidentaly was shot by my platoon, he got charged 6000, i received 3000. WG stoled-3000.

FIX IT, please-charge and payment should be the same size, damage and crew members done by team should be fixed FOR FEE

 

What you just suggestet there would end up in frinds platooning and shooting eachothers to earn money.

Now sit back and read what you did write and then think a bit about what will happen if what you did suggest was put into effect.



PervyPastryPuffer #7 Posted 28 February 2018 - 01:04 PM

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The IQ levels in this thread are TOO DAMN LOW!!

ignaskarate #8 Posted 28 February 2018 - 01:42 PM

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View PostThebaldEagle, on 28 February 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

 

What you just suggestet there would end up in frinds platooning and shooting eachothers to earn money.

Now sit back and read what you did write and then think a bit about what will happen if what you did suggest was put into effect.

 

i suggested-if i shoot you-i pay for your tank repair. If your tank repair is 3000, you get 3000, i pay 3000, wg gets 0. What didnt you understand? Where is credit earning from team damage? Shells cost over 1000 for me or you get them for free? What is now-i pay 6000, you get 3000, wg gets 3000.

I wrote-1.fixing tank and crew should be for free. Is it ok to get fix your tank or crew if your teammate damaged it?

2.Charge must be the same size as compensation size. It means if you shot your teammate, charge you get is 100% the compensation your teammate gets.

 

Maybe it is normal that you get team damage, like engine or track or commander, you repair your track-repair kit 3000, you repair your commander-med kit 3000. And in the end of battle you get 200 compensation for track damage done by allies. And WG gets 6000 because you wanted to live longer. WG got money from atacker and got even more from you, its double profit for WG. WHY NOT?


Edited by ignaskarate, 28 February 2018 - 01:55 PM.


BSHDBCG #9 Posted 28 February 2018 - 01:56 PM

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View PostThebaldEagle, on 27 February 2018 - 08:18 AM, said:

You got compensation for materiel dmg be happy for that. Crews are soft casualtys not metal that got damaged,

Just get over it it is same for all, and go to next battle.

 

If it only covered the repair costs though. In games where all you get shot by is a single team mate you should be covered 100%, but instead if only cover some 50-60% of the actual damage.

Edited by BSHDBCG, 28 February 2018 - 01:56 PM.


HuLKSMa5H #10 Posted 28 February 2018 - 02:02 PM

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If my poor old memory serves rightly we had a special recently(mebbi it was the halloween thing). In that (mebbi halloween) special we had a thing that negated team damage. You couldn't do any damage nor could you track a team mate. Now having played this we can see that team damage can be removed or made void.

So my question is " why not introduce it to the full game (randoms ect)? "

Shooters still pay for the rounds fired but no need for tk compensation as they do nothing if fired into a home team player.

What reason do WG give to carry on in this way?

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Edited by HuLKSMa5H, 28 February 2018 - 02:03 PM.


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View Postignaskarate, on 27 February 2018 - 08:13 AM, said:

Why you cant get compensation for dead crew members? If teammate shots you, you get compensated, for tank repair. In the midle of game i was brawling with enemy +1 tier and someone knoks out commander, it was last game, and i spend med kit to revive it, i got only 700 silver back only for tank repair. I had no vision range, no six sense, my reload went 1,5 time longer, aim worse, longer, speed between shot longer too and im not getting it compensated! Why?

So who shot your commander? A teammate or the enemy?

I have suffered team damage occasionally, but never had my commander knocked out by team fire. 

Perhaps you had better post the replay so we can help decide what happened.



steyrman_2016 #12 Posted 28 February 2018 - 02:35 PM

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If the software can can identify damage caused to you by a vehicle in your team and compensate you for it, how hard can it be for the software to be written to ignore damage caused by hits from them?

We all hit a team mate accidentally from time to time.  Sometimes it's their fault i.e. pulling across your line of fire, just as you are engaging or when you do close support and get it a bit wrong.

They still lose part or all of their HP and they shouldn't.     The credits the shooter loses at the end for doing it, should remain including the possible account freeze depending on the current circumstances the software detects.

I have had a number of incidents where someone has deliberately put a single shot into me at the start of the game, for the hell of it and one bellend took half my HP away yesterday but thankfully at the end of the game.  Why should the "Victim" of the shot have to lose HP at all?



VsUK #13 Posted 28 February 2018 - 02:44 PM

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I once told a platoon of 3 IS-3's to stop camping on the ridge, doing nothing & come help me kill the 2 remaining enemy tanks. I was already on 4 kills & clearly better than the 2 remaining enemy tanks because they kept missing & I was doing damage. But they decided to come & each take 1 shot at me & kill me. Then they all went off & died by these 2 enemy tanks. I lost credits that game. All because of 3 peoples reluctance to take part in the game & objected to me telling them to come help. 

think the only real deterrence for team damage. Is if you use the proximity factor. If an allied tank is within x meters of an enemy tank. No punishment will be enforced onto an accidental team damage, because close combat like that it happens. But if you receive team damage from someone & your no where near an enemy tank. Those kinds of actions should be more severe. Not just take credits away, something easily earned. But take away exp. 

BSHDBCG #14 Posted 28 February 2018 - 03:01 PM

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View PostVsUK, on 28 February 2018 - 02:44 PM, said:

 No punishment will be enforced onto an accidental team damage, because close combat like that it happens. But if you receive team damage from someone & your no where near an enemy tank. Those kinds of actions should be more severe. Not just take credits away, something easily earned. But take away exp. 

 

So you actually want to encourage SPG players to take even more shots into brawling people?



VsUK #15 Posted 28 February 2018 - 03:14 PM

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View PostBSHDBCG, on 28 February 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

 

So you actually want to encourage SPG players to take even more shots into brawling people?

 

Well I've been saved by SPG's taking shots when I was surrounded by enemy tanks, Yes I took damage, but it disabled them & let me get away. But I wasn't thinking about SPG's. Sorry!

RamRaid90 #16 Posted 28 February 2018 - 03:19 PM

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View Poststeyrman_2016, on 28 February 2018 - 01:35 PM, said:

If the software can can identify damage caused to you by a vehicle in your team and compensate you for it, how hard can it be for the software to be written to ignore damage caused by hits from them?

 

View PostHuLKSMa5H, on 28 February 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

 

So my question is " why not introduce it to the full game (randoms ect)? "

 

Because then griefing would increase. Team damage is there also as a deterant to idiots who think blocking shots and pushing tanks is "fun"

 

If they couldn't recieve a slap for their trouble then they would just do it more.



Orkbert #17 Posted 28 February 2018 - 05:08 PM

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View PostBSHDBCG, on 28 February 2018 - 01:56 PM, said:

 

If it only covered the repair costs though. In games where all you get shot by is a single team mate you should be covered 100%, but instead if only cover some 50-60% of the actual damage.

 

Relevant screenshots please and maybe replay, because the compensation does fully cover the repair costs.

RamRaid90 #18 Posted 28 February 2018 - 06:56 PM

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View PostOrkbert, on 28 February 2018 - 04:08 PM, said:

 

Relevant screenshots please and maybe replay, because the compensation does fully cover the repair costs.

 

I think he's getting confused because the damaging party always pays out more than the damaged party recieves.

ignaskarate #19 Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:24 PM

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View Postunhappy_bunny, on 28 February 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

So who shot your commander? A teammate or the enemy?

I have suffered team damage occasionally, but never had my commander knocked out by team fire. 

Perhaps you had better post the replay so we can help decide what happened.

Friendly artilery shot me in bs25t ap while i was circling enemy m103



ignaskarate #20 Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:32 PM

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View PostOrkbert, on 28 February 2018 - 04:08 PM, said:

 

Relevant screenshots please and maybe replay, because the compensation does fully cover the repair costs.

 

No its not! i received 700 for damage from 155 55 artilery, but i was using med kit to get my comander too and it was not compensated in any way.




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