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Mister_Lister #1 Posted 27 February 2018 - 01:57 PM

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This tank needs some nerf,in 3-5-7 who has 268-4 has a lot more chance to win.Even in full tier X matchup they just press W and farm other tanks.
For example this guy is below average player but hes playing on 60% winrate with this russian idiot proof tank

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Warzey #2 Posted 27 February 2018 - 03:10 PM

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Well I couldn't hit 60% win rate on my 268v4, so I guess it could use a bit of a buff. #argument

Jumping_Turtle #3 Posted 27 February 2018 - 03:17 PM

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I think I am on 35% on mine so does mine get a huge buff ?

Aikl #4 Posted 27 February 2018 - 03:19 PM

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The 268 v4 has been discussed ad nauseam in other threads already. Yeah, it's probably a problematic tank, even Wargaming acknowledges that they're 'closely watching' the 268 v4.

 

However, arguing that a tank is overpowered because a random player's most recent tank performs really good is just bullcrap. For instance, I have 71% winrate in my T-43, ground 100% solo around 2013-2014 (after D-10T removal). and minimal premium ammo use. It was just pure luck, not a tank I did particularly well in or anything.

You have no idea if this player has platooned a lot with good players, got someone to play his account for e.g. finishing personal missions (more common than you might think) or has just been lucky. We can't even see this guy's average damage in the 268v4, and average experience takes premium account into account. Around 1k average experience is, I believe, nothing particularly special with premium account.



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View PostAikl, on 27 February 2018 - 02:19 PM, said:

The 268 v4 has been discussed ad nauseam in other threads already. Yeah, it's probably a problematic tank, even Wargaming acknowledges that they're 'closely watching' the 268 v4.

 

However, arguing that a tank is overpowered because a random player's most recent tank performs really good is just bullcrap. For instance, I have 71% winrate in my T-43, ground 100% solo around 2013-2014 (after D-10T removal). and minimal premium ammo use. It was just pure luck, not a tank I did particularly well in or anything.

You have no idea if this player has platooned a lot with good players, got someone to play his account for e.g. finishing personal missions (more common than you might think) or has just been lucky. We can't even see this guy's average damage in the 268v4, and average experience takes premium account into account. Around 1k average experience is, I believe, nothing particularly special with premium account.

 

I feel the tank IS certainly overpowered, in a bunch of ways.


One indicator, other than 'the feels' when playing/rekking the enemy teams.  Is in my own stats.  My recents are about 58% WR and in T10 this is probably closer to 54%/55% but in my 268 v4 it's easily 62%+.  It is my highest DPG tank, it has the 2nd highest damage blocked.  One interesting thing is that while doing nearly 3k DPG (which is good for me) it has a relatively low WN8 of 2.1k - this leads me to think that other people are averaging much higher damage!  Further more, despite having many 6k+ damage games (along with a lot of spotting and blocking) I have not yet 'Aced' this tank.  Also, despite 3k DPG I haven't got close to 1 MOE!



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it's a royal pain in the behind. Anyone remember the old Foch before the nerf - not saying it's that bad but close to it

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View PostKozzy, on 27 February 2018 - 03:20 PM, said:

 

I feel the tank IS certainly overpowered, in a bunch of ways.


One indicator, other than 'the feels' when playing/rekking the enemy teams.  Is in my own stats.  My recents are about 58% WR and in T10 this is probably closer to 54%/55% but in my 268 v4 it's easily 62%+.  It is my highest DPG tank, it has the 2nd highest damage blocked.  One interesting thing is that while doing nearly 3k DPG (which is good for me) it has a relatively low WN8 of 2.1k - this leads me to think that other people are averaging much higher damage!  Further more, despite having many 6k+ damage games (along with a lot of spotting and blocking) I have not yet 'Aced' this tank.  Also, despite 3k DPG I haven't got close to 1 MOE!

 

Oh, I bet it is. When Wargaming hints towards something being problematic, you can be darn sure it is broken as ferk. I mean, they don't even deem the Type 5 problematic (in before a penetration nerf forcing the 268 v4 to use 99% premium ammo and call it quits, because balance can depend on the 'credit sink factor;).

 

Anyway, your numbers make for a better case than OP's display of a random individual's winrate in a tank. I very much doubt it's balanced, though the 'new tank factor' is likely rather high when it comes to MoEs.



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 Please, it doesn't have a turret and HE eats it for breakfast.

It is OP, but nowehere near as OP as the Type 4 and Type 5s 

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View PostPalora, on 27 February 2018 - 10:02 AM, said:

 Please, it doesn't have a turret and HE eats it for breakfast.

It is OP, but nowehere near as OP as the Type 4 and Type 5s 

lol wut?

 

In what way?

 

 



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So is it the eternal fixation of rerolls whining about winrates they still can't reach after umpteen rerolls or is it about nerfing the 268... @OP

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View Postlifelessgamer, on 27 February 2018 - 05:10 PM, said:

lol wut?

 

In what way?

 

 

 

No turret, it actually needs to penetrate to do dmg, takes a lot more dmg from HE than a Type 4 and 5, it's gun is horribly innacurate

Edited by Palora, 27 February 2018 - 05:21 PM.


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View PostPalora, on 27 February 2018 - 04:21 PM, said:

 

No turret, it actually needs to penetrate to do dmg, takes a lot more dmg from HE than a Type 4 and 5, it's gun is horribly innacurate

 

Unsurprisingly it is also YOUR highest DPG tank...

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View PostPalora, on 27 February 2018 - 05:21 PM, said:

 

No turret, it actually needs to penetrate to do dmg, takes a lot more dmg from HE than a Type 4 and 5, it's gun is horribly innacurate

 

Not having a turret and the inaccurate gun it's not really a problem when you have that top speed and armour combination. The fact that suffer from HE on the UFP it's the only balancing factor, because turning speed kill the tank just if it's alone...

Edited by Dava_117, 27 February 2018 - 05:27 PM.


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View PostKozzy, on 27 February 2018 - 05:24 PM, said:

 

Unsurprisingly it is also YOUR highest DPG tank...

 

never said it is not OP, just not as OP as the Type 4 and 5, which I don't have :D

 Top speed =/= turn speed. And if you turn everyone penetrates you. Hell you can still be penetrated from the front with regular AP

 And at top tier you are alone since you are faster than the heavies and slower than the mediums. And if you try to snipe with it you'll get laughed at.

It also seems to be another case of shoddy WG work because you can lose crew when you bounce AP with it :D

Edited by Palora, 27 February 2018 - 05:40 PM.


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View PostPalora, on 27 February 2018 - 10:21 AM, said:

 

No turret, it actually needs to penetrate to do dmg, takes a lot more dmg from HE than a Type 4 and 5, it's gun is horribly innacurate

 

It goes 50 Kph. It has a TD gun (292 standard pen.)  It has 340 armor.

 

There are 3 considering factors to a fighting vehicle: Armor, mobility, and firepower.  In all cases to V4 is better than Type 5 (Type 4 it is even further ahead.)

 

Type 5 armor is meh (armor is either it bounces all or it gets penned by everything, really Type 5 armor is relying on the opponent to be bad.)  Mobility is terrible.  Gun is a combination of lol HE and the worste gun handling at tier 10 for HT or TD.

 

 

 

 



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View PostPalora, on 27 February 2018 - 05:29 PM, said:

 

never said it is not OP, just not as OP as the Type 4 and 5, which I don't have :D

 Top speed =/= turn speed. And if you turn everyone penetrates you. Hell you can still be penetrated from the front with regular AP

I know the difference between top speed and turning speed. WG designed the tank to have turning speed as main drawback, but this works just if you overextend or are the last man in battle. Also you can get penned in the UFP or lower LFP if you xhange slightly the angle so it's no more autobounce. 

 And at top tier you are alone since you are faster than the heavies and slower than the mediums. And if you try to snipe with it you'll get laughed at.

You should not overextend. The top speed is to rush the enemy when supported, not to run away from the allyes.


It also seems to be another case of shoddy WG work because you can lose crew when you bounce AP with it :D

 



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View Postlifelessgamer, on 27 February 2018 - 05:10 PM, said:

lol wut?

 

In what way?

 

 

 

I'll just throw this in...

https://tanks.gg/com...?t=type-5-heavy



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View PostEnforcer1975, on 27 February 2018 - 01:42 PM, said:

 

I'll just throw this in...

https://tanks.gg/com...?t=type-5-heavy

 

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Mediums with 340 heat pen.  Which one is full of new ventilation?  :)



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View Postlifelessgamer, on 27 February 2018 - 06:57 PM, said:

 

It goes 50 Kph. It has a TD gun (292 standard pen.)  It has 340 armor.

 

There are 3 considering factors to a fighting vehicle: Armor, mobility, and firepower.  In all cases to V4 is better than Type 5 (Type 4 it is even further ahead.)

 

Type 5 armor is meh (armor is either it bounces all or it gets penned by everything, really Type 5 armor is relying on the opponent to be bad.)  Mobility is terrible.  Gun is a combination of lol HE and the worste gun handling at tier 10 for HT or TD.

 

 

 

 

 

 You are confusing speed with mobility, they are not the same thing, going straight really fast is good and all, but turning is much more important, as is acceleration, something that the 268 mod 4 is lacking. 
The gun is also pretty bad, horribly inaccurate outside of pointblank range and when compared to other TD guns the damage or rof is rather lack luster.
The only thing it has going for it is the armor, which gets mauled by HE (a t8 will do 150 dmg with HE on average)  

  And ofc the Type 5 doesn't have to aim at your weak spots, he just hits whatever tiny corner you show him for 400-600 damage per shot while you have to hunt his weakspots and bounce on it. You also waste a lot more time going out of cover because of your lack of turret. And if you get tracked in the mod 4 you are dead. Unlike the Type 5 that does have a turret and heavily armored sides. 
 
Type 5 is easy mode, you should know, you're propping up your stats with it after all. 
 
 Obviously I'd have an easier time against Type 5 if I was willing to use gold, but I don't use gold, and even in the rare cases the Type 5's don't use gold either the regular HE still murders the mod 4. 

To reiterate, 268 mod 4 is clearly OP, no question about it, it's still not as OP and easy to play as the Type 5. 

Edited by Palora, 28 February 2018 - 12:59 AM.


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I watched 2 of these things race ahead of our HT from the south west spawn on highway, they won the brawl in the city before our HT had climbed up it was hilarious.

 






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