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OneSock #1 Posted 27 February 2018 - 10:35 PM

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I posted this on the test server but thought I'd bring it here for more people to see.

 

So if you've seen the TV show "Ice Road Truckers" you'll know that lake and sea ice has load limits based on the thickness of the ice.

 

So there are no load limits for this ice ? Even a type5 heavy at 151 tonnes is no problem, or even a type 5 and a number of other heavy tanks all in the same spot on the ice ?

 

Chinny reckon much ?

 

OK I know it's a game, but ... what do we think of this ?



Bordhaw #2 Posted 27 February 2018 - 10:40 PM

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Pansenmann #3 Posted 27 February 2018 - 10:46 PM

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congratulations OP,

you just received a

 

 

PS: totally wrong forum


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Masternaut #4 Posted 28 February 2018 - 12:16 AM

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Let's say the ice is 100 meters thick. I think it will be strong enough :)

Balc0ra #5 Posted 28 February 2018 - 01:44 AM

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Clue one. It's an arcade game. Real life don't count here.

Clue two. It's a Norwegian inspired map. If you go far north enough here. You will find Military vehicles drifting on lake Ice. Or even an Abrams. Min recommended thickness for a car on ice is iirc over 30 cm. Ice road truckers drive on 3 feet. Or 91 cm or more with their trucks where the cargo can weight 40 tons alone. And a sleeper cabin truck is not light either. Most Norwegian lake driving tanks like the M113 is around 12 tons. So you don't need that thick of an ice. The Norwegian Leo and the US Abrams you find up north weight over 60 tons. So it's not often they can do it. So the US train on ice driving on iced roads instead.

 

 

You can argue that a Maus or a Type 5 might be stretching it, as the Ice has to be at least 3-5 meters to hold it "can't bother to do the math". And that's far from common around here.. But your average WOT tank? Is tho? Tho there is a general rule to keep a min distance of 50 feet or close to two meters between each one driving on the ice. So imagine how a lemming train has to be. Then you can pull your argument back in again.

 


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TheComfyChair #6 Posted 28 February 2018 - 02:01 AM

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I am a bit suspicious of that "Ice Road Truckers" program. How do they manage to have hundreds of camera men lining the road filming each truck....I'm calling fake or aliens.

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If anyone catches me watching something like that, call the hearse, I'm gone.

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View PostTheComfyChair, on 28 February 2018 - 02:01 AM, said:

I am a bit suspicious of that "Ice Road Truckers" program. How do they manage to have hundreds of camera men lining the road filming each truck....I'm calling fake or aliens.

My Father has done the route on holiday asked actual truckers there how realistic the show is.

 

Their reply was basically: "100% staged. Its fantasy"



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View PostBaldrickk, on 28 February 2018 - 04:47 AM, said:

My Father has done the route on holiday asked actual truckers there how realistic the show is.

 

Their reply was basically: "100% staged. Its fantasy"

 

What about Moonshiners? Fake or fantasy?

 

Back to topic.

The keyword is pascal.



MrClark56 #10 Posted 28 February 2018 - 05:44 AM

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vodka on ice, tanks on ice...

 

same thing for russian tankist.... da...



Frostilicus #11 Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:20 AM

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View PostBaldrickk, on 28 February 2018 - 03:47 AM, said:

My Father has done the route on holiday asked actual truckers there how realistic the show is.

 

Their reply was basically: "100% staged. Its fantasy"

 

It's the same as that repo show - "quick, run - the guys chasing us with a gun"

 

don't you want to wait for the camera crew who are filming the guy chasing you with the gun? Then suddenly the camera is in front of the runners.....



evilchaosmonkey #12 Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:28 AM

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You'll be telling me wrestling is faked next or the Jeremy Kyle show isn't a factual documentary depicting the ordinary lives of the working class - stop being so cynical, if we can't trust American TV what can we trust eh?

 

Oh wait....



K_A #13 Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:49 AM

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Arctic sea ice can be 4-5 meters thick during the winter, and near an island like on the Glacier map, that 5 meters can easily reach the bottom for a long stretch there. Also, while a truck is a lot bigger than a tank, the actual surface area it touches the ground (or in this case, ice) is still quite small. Compare it to a tank that has tracks which are a lot wider than rubber wheels and also stretch the entire length of the tank. This means that a 120 ton tank actually exerts less pressure for a given surface area than a 60 ton truck.

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Too bad you cant shoot the ice and cause a Type 5 to sink...:trollface:

Simeon85 #15 Posted 28 February 2018 - 11:34 AM

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From a gameplay perspective, falling through the ice would be silly.  Most players find it challenging enough not to drown themselves in very obvious water, ice that might break under them is just a recipe for giant fail and then frustration for that player's team mates. 

 

Though I'd make special exceptions for Japanese Heavies, they deserve it. 



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View PostSimeon85, on 28 February 2018 - 11:34 AM, said:

From a gameplay perspective, falling through the ice would be silly.  Most players find it challenging enough not to drown themselves in very obvious water, ice that might break under them is just a recipe for giant fail and then frustration for that player's team mates. 

 

Though I'd make special exceptions for Japanese Heavies, they deserve it. 

 

​We do have ice that you can drive on/fall through now on Arctic though. It's quite fun to see a tank standing on it and have it blown away from him. Arty removing ice could be a new feature. :arta:

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 28 February 2018 - 11:43 AM, said:

 

​We do have ice that you can drive on/fall through now on Arctic though. It's quite fun to see a tank standing on it and have it blown away from him. Arty removing ice could be a new feature. :arta:

 

Yeh but it's in a fairly useless area of the map and a small area, the ice on that glacier map is more than half the map. 

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View PostFrostilicus, on 28 February 2018 - 08:20 AM, said:

 

It's the same as that repo show - "quick, run - the guys chasing us with a gun"

 

don't you want to wait for the camera crew who are filming the guy chasing you with the gun? Then suddenly the camera is in front of the runners.....

 

Repo show are so fake it's actually funny. I loved the one where they had to impound a plane. Had to plan a staged heist with "blackwater" as backup, as it was a plane owned by a known armed drug lord. And something out of the airport scene from Bad boys 1 did start. Camera guy.. could not be bothered about the ppl shooting at him by the looks of it.



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View PostOneSock, on 27 February 2018 - 10:35 PM, said:

I posted this on the test server but thought I'd bring it here for more people to see.

 

So if you've seen the TV show "Ice Road Truckers" you'll know that lake and sea ice has load limits based on the thickness of the ice.

 

So there are no load limits for this ice ? Even a type5 heavy at 151 tonnes is no problem, or even a type 5 and a number of other heavy tanks all in the same spot on the ice ?

 

Chinny reckon much ?

 

OK I know it's a game, but ... what do we think of this ?

 

The ice in that map is so thick it can carry an aircraft carrier! Tanks are not a problem.

If you want to worry about somthing, look at the wooden harbour in fjords map. ;)



Frostilicus #20 Posted 28 February 2018 - 12:14 PM

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View PostK_A, on 28 February 2018 - 07:49 AM, said:

Arctic sea ice can be 4-5 meters thick during the winter, and near an island like on the Glacier map, that 5 meters can easily reach the bottom for a long stretch there. Also, while a truck is a lot bigger than a tank, the actual surface area it touches the ground (or in this case, ice) is still quite small. Compare it to a tank that has tracks which are a lot wider than rubber wheels and also stretch the entire length of the tank. This means that a 120 ton tank actually exerts less pressure for a given surface area than a 60 ton truck.

 

I seem to recall reading somewhere that the way a Tiger would test soft ground was by one crewman giving another a piggy back and then standing on one leg - if he didn't sink then the tank could cross :)




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