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tomecka #1 Posted 28 February 2018 - 08:47 AM

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Hey if you have any suggestions about TDs And their balance, write them here.

Gardar7 #2 Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:05 AM

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They are more or less OK. Of course, a lot of people was crying about the Badger when it arrived, and same goes for the death star, Swedish TDs, Skorpion G etc. I remember that at the beginning everybody was crying about Ferdinand and Object 704. It is always like that. People need to use to the new things. Only the WTF-E100 was much unbalanced, that WG took it out from the game.

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There seems to be a case against the new 268 V2. 

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View PostGardar7, on 28 February 2018 - 09:05 AM, said:

They are more or less OK. Of course, a lot of people was crying about the Badger when it arrived, and same goes for the death star, Swedish TDs, Skorpion G etc. I remember that at the beginning everybody was crying about Ferdinand and Object 704. It is always like that. People need to use to the new things. Only the WTF-E100 was much unbalanced, that WG took it out from the game.

 

Badger? That thing is still strong when neither team has the TD mentioned above. 

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View Posttomecka, on 28 February 2018 - 08:47 AM, said:

Hey if you have any suggestions about TDs And their balance, write them here.

 

I suggest someone make a constructive thread presenting their own actual opinion about TD's rather than fishing for the ideas of others. :popcorn:

250swb #6 Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:20 AM

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Nothing wrong with the TD balance. They are harder to play which is a natural balancing factor, but recently WG have made a couple such as the WZ-120 and Obj. 268v4 easier to play, and this may be a problem if the trend continues. But for every three or four new medium or heavy tanks that get called 'OP' there is only one TD introduced to counter them. Of course I am always suspicious of threads that come after the 'TD Special' this past weekend which massively skews the influence of TD's in the game. So it would be insightful if the OP could say whether he is trying to start trouble, having a moan, or is thinking about working up a new TD tech tree?

imendars #7 Posted 28 February 2018 - 09:38 AM

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Was thinking about a proper troll comment, nothing cool came to mind. Perhaps the coffee isnt working yet or i need another cup.  :sceptic:

 

My suggestions.

* Buff E4 td. That thing could use a buff i think.

* in next patch - keep the bushes coming. I havnt watched them lot but it seems td might be relevant again. At the moment in live server waaaay too many classes and sub-clases are made irrelevant in waay too many maps.

* buff french premium td (that relativly new one, amx cda something) (Hopefully HD maps will make this td less irrelevant)

* finally deal with IS-4. either buff it or replace it, whatever. Just DO IT. (Insert here just do it youtube clip with that crazy dude) (oups, thats not a td).


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TDs as a class are fine, there are just issues with some of them (like 268v4, T95 etc, being OP, or 183s, JpE100, ISU-152 etc. just having too much alpha).

 

Players who play them are more the issue, the 'I am a TD I must camp' brigade, even when in armoured TDs, or when they have the most hit points on the team but still won't move to take a hit.  The sort of people that demand people to spot for them all the time, even when those people are lower tiers or have low hit points. I had a ranked game on Monday where a 268v4, one of the most armoured tanks in the game, that 0.4 accuracy, just pinged me on the map and whined at me all game because I took my 13-105 to the hill on Prohk (where I did over 5k spotting) whilst he camped on the 1 line doing nothing. 

 

Also maps are problematic, too many OP base camping spots on many maps, but then not many other spots where paper TDs, lights and mediums can snipe, flank and do crossfire. 



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I think that Foch B should get either better engine, the 1200 one that old foch had or better penetration, 257 Is really low for 10 tier TD. It's kinda new TD and nobody is playing it.

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View Posttomecka, on 28 February 2018 - 09:52 AM, said:

I think that Foch B should get either better engine, the 1200 one that old foch had or better penetration, 257 Is really low for 10 tier TD. It's kinda new TD and nobody is playing it.

 

The high clip potential makes the Foch B a problem. Difficult to actually balance. 

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 28 February 2018 - 09:53 AM, said:

 

The high clip potential makes the Foch B a problem. Difficult to actually balance. 

 

Yea it does, but Foch can't use it properly with this penetration I think that higher reload time/time between clips and higher penetration can balance it. Or just better speed so you can actualy get to someone's back and penetrate something.

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View Postlord_chipmonk, on 28 February 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

 

The high clip potential makes the Foch B a problem. Difficult to actually balance. 

 

I like to suicide rush with Foch B. Much fun. :trollface:

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View Posttomecka, on 28 February 2018 - 09:59 AM, said:

 

Yea it does, but Foch can't use it properly with this penetration I think that higher reload time/time between clips and higher penetration can balance it. Or just better speed so you can actualy get to someone's back and penetrate something.

 

I agree there might be some ways to do it. Then again, if it ain't broke, I don't trust WG to properly fix it. 

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View Posttomecka, on 28 February 2018 - 09:52 AM, said:

I think that Foch B should get either better engine, the 1200 one that old foch had or better penetration, 257 Is really low for 10 tier TD. It's kinda new TD and nobody is playing it.

 

Foch B should be flipped to a 3 shot clip, they can then buff the penetration to 300 standard APCR, and then give it like a 19-20s base reload for that clip. Other characteristics of the tanks could then be tuned if that wasn't enough.

 

The clip size is too high to balance. 



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View PostSimeon85, on 28 February 2018 - 12:09 PM, said:

 

Foch B should be flipped to a 3 shot clip, they can then buff the penetration to 300 standard APCR, and then give it like a 19-20s base reload for that clip. Other characteristics of the tanks could then be tuned if that wasn't enough.

 

The clip size is too high to balance. 

 

Thats Foch 155 and everyone who grinded it already have that tank. They didnt remove that tank just to reintroduce. Foch B in WG mind is supposed to be better than Foch 155, as far as i understand.

And it kinda is, except its [edited] penetration.


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View Postimendars, on 28 February 2018 - 10:12 AM, said:

 

Thats Foch 155 and everyone who grinded it already have that tank. They didnt remove that tank just to reintroduce. Foch B in WG mind is supposed to be better than Foch 155, as far as i understand.

And it kinda is, except its [edited] penetration.

 

3 shot clip with the 400 alpha, so you would have 1200 damage in 4s with much better aim time/gun handling than the 155. 

 

It would be a quick burst/quick reload autoloading TD, basically like the TVP 50/51 of TDs. 

 

You can't have a tank that does 2400 clip potential and expect it to have good pen, the clip potential is too high, hence why they have to make the rest of the tank 'meh' so it is less effective. If you gave the Foch B like 300 standard pen, then it would have like 350 - 360 premium pen, and would be stupidly broken. 

 

 



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View PostSimeon85, on 28 February 2018 - 12:18 PM, said:

You can't have a tank that does 2400 clip potential and expect it to have good pen, the clip potential is too high, hence why they have to make the rest of the tank 'meh' so it is less effective. If you gave the Foch B like 300 standard pen, then it would have like 350 - 360 premium pen, and would be stupidly broken.

 

You misunderstood my comment. I dont like its pen, that doesnt mean i think that 300 standard pen on it would be ok. :trollface:

Its good at what it does. Basically a suicide td master race if you can do it right. Nice when enemy ignores it... :bajan::trollface:

WG really loves introducing hard to balance tanks in last few years...



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I feel like foch 155 Is more useful than foch B.. I have both of them and I think that foch 155 is better and more balanced.



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View Posttomecka, on 28 February 2018 - 12:40 PM, said:

I feel like foch 155 Is more useful than foch B.. I have both of them and I think that foch 155 is better and more balanced.

 

Well, Foch 155 is not a suicide td. Its more like "get lost quickly unless you wana another 800 in your face" td and its great at what it does. Specially when it can flank something... :trollface:

 

Foch B is ... well... i really would recoment you to try to just rush enemy with it. If you dont F@k  up, you will kill first enemy, manage even to reload, kill another one and go from there. After this you will probly be dead. If not, well... :trollface:

 

Just my thoughts.



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View Postimendars, on 28 February 2018 - 10:40 AM, said:

 

You misunderstood my comment. I dont like its pen, that doesnt mean i think that 300 standard pen on it would be ok. :trollface:

Its good at what it does. Basically a suicide td master race if you can do it right. Nice when enemy ignores it... :bajan::trollface:

WG really loves introducing hard to balance tanks in last few years...

 

Foch B needs at least 280 mm of penetration so it can do something to heavies, you can't play it as medium because it's slow acceleration, neither sniper because of it's low penetration and bad accuracy. It needs better penetration or engine, at cost of it's reload time/clip size.

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