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hedgehog_s #1 Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:10 PM

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OK so I'm on Lakeville today - CDA105 ie:105mm gun - 250 odd pen as well - even 90 is spotted on lakeroad - so I shoot him - crew guy tells me its a great shot - except well it isn't. I hit him flat in the face and do NOTHING, ZERO, NADA, RIEN. So how the hell does that work ?? 1) Overmatch says I should pen automatically and 250 pen says I should pen anyway. This is not the first time either - T95 on arse of tier 8 French arty - ZERO effect. etc.

wremise #2 Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:14 PM

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maybe you hit the gun? or just the observer view box? you have done module dmg but no hull dmg.

vasilinhorulezz #3 Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:16 PM

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You could have hit the gun?

Leading to a no damage penetration.

Or,

you could have hit his tracks and not the hull behind them.

The possibilities are a lot

also replay would help to see where that shot went,

and there are mods that show you, post battle, where you hit enemy tanks and where they hit you, 

so you can have a better understanding of each situation.



Dava_117 #4 Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:35 PM

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Overmatch is not the only special mechanics that works on penetration. Remembetr that, after the first impact, an AP/APCR shell will keep flying for 10 times his caliber. A 105mm projectile will travel just for 1.05m so if you hit his gun tip, the shell simply didn't reach the primary armour.

Or you may have hit his track or observation devices without actually hit the primary armour. There are a lot of possibilities that just a replay can reduce!


Edited by Dava_117, 01 March 2018 - 05:35 PM.


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A replay would be nice. But I suspect you hit one of the external modules: gun, tracks, view ports.

hedgehog_s #6 Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:49 PM

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Too embarrassed to send replay - I may have gone swimming shortly after as team were down 6K HP in first 1.5 minutes but thanks for the info on apcr travel info Dava - I suspect that is the case that hit his gun.

Jigabachi #7 Posted 01 March 2018 - 05:50 PM

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View Posthedgehog_s, on 01 March 2018 - 05:49 PM, said:

Too embarrassed to send replay - I may have gone swimming shortly after as team were down 6K HP in first 1.5 minutes

Then the answer is obvious: Karma.


Edited by Jigabachi, 01 March 2018 - 05:51 PM.


AliceUnchained #8 Posted 01 March 2018 - 08:17 PM

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View Posthedgehog_s, on 01 March 2018 - 05:49 PM, said:

Too embarrassed to send replay - I may have gone swimming shortly after as team were down 6K HP in first 1.5 minutes but thanks for the info on apcr travel info Dava - I suspect that is the case that hit his gun.

 

So you got what you deserved then. Next time. go look at the replay yourself and check the various websites (even the Wiki can help). Then there would be no need for this pointless thread.

BP_OMowe #9 Posted 02 March 2018 - 01:08 AM

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View Posthedgehog_s, on 01 March 2018 - 05:10 PM, said:

 1) Overmatch says I should pen automatically

 

No, double overmatch (gun calibre > armour  x 2) just gives you better normalisation where applicable, while triple overmatch (gun calibre > armour  x 3) means there is no risk for ricochets.

This means if you hit even paper-thin armour at an almost parallel trajectory, you could still fail to penetrate if it wasn't for "normalisation".


Edited by BP_OMowe, 02 March 2018 - 01:08 AM.


Coldspell #10 Posted 02 March 2018 - 04:58 AM

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This is why people should just get the battlehits mod, after the battle you can open the screen in your garage and it will show you where all the shells from the last game hit your tank and if they penned, bounced or critted as well as the same for all your shells that hit other tanks.

 

It is an incredibly useful mod as it shows the trajectory not just where you were hit but from what direction / angle, so you can learn something every time you go to the garage.



brumbarr #11 Posted 02 March 2018 - 08:10 AM

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View PostColdspell, on 02 March 2018 - 04:58 AM, said:

This is why people should just get the battlehits mod, after the battle you can open the screen in your garage and it will show you where all the shells from the last game hit your tank and if they penned, bounced or critted as well as the same for all your shells that hit other tanks.

 

It is an incredibly useful mod as it shows the trajectory not just where you were hit but from what direction / angle, so you can learn something every time you go to the garage.

Just what is was about to say, install battlehits. And no weird shot will ever happen again. 



malachi6 #12 Posted 02 March 2018 - 10:09 AM

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Why does it matter if you suicide often?

 

Not like you were going to contribute anything anyway.

 

 



hedgehog_s #13 Posted 02 March 2018 - 11:38 AM

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View Postmalachi6, on 02 March 2018 - 10:09 AM, said:

Why does it matter if you suicide often?

 

Not like you were going to contribute anything anyway.

 

 

 

​I don't - when u are tier 8 and your tier 10 super conqueror drives along the lake edge and loses 95% of his HP in 20 seconds and 1 light has already drowned and u are 6K down in 1 minute - no I wasn't going to hang around and waste 5 minutes of my life on crap.

 



Jigabachi #14 Posted 02 March 2018 - 04:49 PM

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View Posthedgehog_s, on 02 March 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

no I wasn't going to hang around and waste 5 minutes of my life on crap.

That irony gave me a really weird feel in my bowels...

You already are wasting your entire life with playing this game for 8+ hours every single day. So those five minutes really won't hurt... :rolleyes:



brumbarr #15 Posted 02 March 2018 - 05:20 PM

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View Posthedgehog_s, on 02 March 2018 - 11:38 AM, said:

 

​I don't - when u are tier 8 and your tier 10 super conqueror drives along the lake edge and loses 95% of his HP in 20 seconds and 1 light has already drowned and u are 6K down in 1 minute - no I wasn't going to hang around and waste 5 minutes of my life on crap.

 

 

THe moment you press the battlebutton you are obligated to be willing and able to play a 15min battle.

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View Postbrumbarr, on 02 March 2018 - 05:20 PM, said:

 

THe moment you press the battlebutton you are obligated to be willing and able to play a 15min battle.

 

Tbh so many players don't even play properly for the 2 minutes they last...so who is wasting ones time here if i join a battle willing to win and half the team is made up of muppets? 

brumbarr #17 Posted 02 March 2018 - 05:34 PM

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View PostEnforcer1975, on 02 March 2018 - 05:31 PM, said:

 

Tbh so many players don't even play properly for the 2 minutes they last...so who is wasting ones time here if i join a battle willing to win and half the team is made up of muppets? 

 

Doesnt matter who is wasting whos time.  You presses battles and that makes you obligated to play for 15mins.

 



THE_JACK_OF_HEARTS #18 Posted 02 March 2018 - 05:39 PM

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with saying you drowned urself, is a huge respect loser from many of us.

Edited by THE_JACK_OF_HEARTS, 02 March 2018 - 05:40 PM.






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