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LucatheTrooper #1 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:03 PM

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A stock T-44 (Tier 8 medium tank) has the top gun from the T-34-85, a Tier 6 medium tank. And not even as first but as second option even though it will be mandatorily unlocked via T-43.

To mount a better gun, (D10T, a barely decent gun), you need to unlock the suspensions, then the turret and then the gun itself for a total of shy over 50k XP.

So you grind 50k XP with a Tier 6 medium tank gun facing Tier 10 half of the time (we know Tier 8 mm has issues).

 

Can I ask why? I'd like to know from som dev the brilliant though process that led to this. Yes you can use free XP and yes sometime you "only" need 34k XP due to the gun already being researched via the HT line. But what if you don't? This is one of the most common line in the game, many players face this situation? Why to add such a large amount of frustration? To force you to use/convert free XP? To force you to buy premium ammo?

 

Of course this is not the only tank whit an horrible grind but man... Oh by the way, why some tanks like the Centurion 7/1 has to grind almost 150k XP (yes 150k) to mount his top gun and the Obj, 430 (a Tier 9 medium just like the Centurion 7/1) already comes with his top gun and turred already equipped? Non even just already reasearches but mounted, its stock gun and turret ARE its top gun and turret...

 

Are developers looking into these issues? Do they even know? Are they planning to do someting?



Lohend #2 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:07 PM

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its not an  "issue" its an well known feature :trollface:

Dava_117 #3 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:12 PM

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That's not a bad grind. Penetration is bad, but the tank is quite mobile since the start. I carried some APCR for deal with mediums, but didn't used too much of them.

vasilinhorulezz #4 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:16 PM

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It leads to 430U which is completely OP, so, you have to suffer, if you want one.

TacticusMK2 #5 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:25 PM

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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 02 March 2018 - 03:16 PM, said:

It leads to 430U which is completely OP, so, you have to suffer, if you want one.

 

​I guess some people want free rides to OP tanks. Gotta sit this one out mate. :)

Balc0ra #6 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:27 PM

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View PostLucatheTrooper, on 02 March 2018 - 03:03 PM, said:

Of course this is not the only tank whit an horrible grind but man... Oh by the way, why some tanks like the Centurion 7/1 has to grind almost 150k XP (yes 150k) to mount his top gun and the Obj, 430 (a Tier 9 medium just like the Centurion 7/1) already comes with his top gun and turred already equipped? Non even just already reasearches but mounted, its stock gun and turret ARE its top gun and turret...

 

Some tanks don't have a 2nd gun, or the stock gun is the better option. Borsig, Foch, Obj 430,  RU 251, AMX 65t, Conway etc. Then you have some that don't even have a turret upgrade like the Black Prince etc. Tho then they balance it with the grind for the next tank. Then you have Tier X leading from the 7/1 costs 180 000. Tier X leading from the 430 costs 287 000 XP.

 

Then again tanks with lots of modules to unlock usually shares modules with other tanks in their nation. So before the 20 pdr's were removed from the HT's, I only needed 79K XP to get all the modules on the 7/1. As all the engines, radios and some of the guns were already unlocked. So they have that in mind too. As one long grind, will half the grind on a different class line later. As most of the modules are already unlocked from past lines.

 

Obj 430 don't share anything with other tanks besides the radio. So the few modules he needs to unlock, costs more then on other tanks due to it.


Edited by Balc0ra, 02 March 2018 - 03:29 PM.


Celution #7 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:34 PM

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It's unfortunately a general trend we see when tanks are buffed - only the top configuration is buffed while the stock grind is left equally bad. The T-44 is the perfect example here since it (and the rest of the tanks within the branch) saw multiple buffs throughout the years. The tank it a complete pain when grinding, while in top configuration it's one of the best tier 8 mediums out there. Furthermore, the 85mm D5T-85BM performs worse in nearly every regard on the T-44 (even with the upgraded turret) than it does on the T-43, with the exception of gun dispersion. Not to mention that the statistics of the 100 mm D-10T are absolutely abysmal and are a left-over from WoT 2011 that should be addressed. WG keeps mentioning that tank lines should be consistent and that you should experience progress when moving up a tier, but exactly the opposite it true when it comes down to such parameters.



dan_dix #8 Posted 02 March 2018 - 04:29 PM

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Well, WG needs to make some money somehow

THE_JACK_OF_HEARTS #9 Posted 02 March 2018 - 05:50 PM

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free xp, what I allways do.

MeNoobTank #10 Posted 02 March 2018 - 10:09 PM

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um...I remember that I grinded pretty fast for the 3rd gun which wasn't bad. The tank is almost OP when full moduled. Very fast, low profile, pretty good turret, trolish hull armor, decent DPM.





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