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test_2018 #1 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:19 PM

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From reddit:

[Data Analysis] I gathered data from over 1 million players on the RU cluster and created graphics showing the OPness of tanks!

https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldofTanks/comments/815j8w/data_analysis_i_gathered_data_from_over_1_million/

 

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Most OP tanks, at a glance:

TIER 10

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/10_USSR_20225_Ob2684.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/10_USSR_19969_Ob430U.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/10_USSR_15617_Ob907.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/10_GERMANY_6929_Maus.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/10_JAPAN_3937_Type5Heavy.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/10_CHINA_5425_113.png

The list is basically all heavies and tanks that are not heavies but have OP armor layouts.

I was slightly suprised to see the SConq not performing better.

The chart on the 907 supports what I've long believed: the tank doesn't do well just because a small number of competitive players can acquire it - the tank is also legit OP due to the silly hull armor. People who try to claim the 907 is not overpowered IMO are simply trying to defend their faceroll.

TIER 9

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/09_USSR_20737_Ob705.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/09_USSR_19713_Ob257.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/09_CZECH_2161_SkodaT50.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/09_FRANCE_15681_AMX30.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/09_UK_4433_Conqueror.png

I was slightly suprised to see the Type 4 Heavy not performing better.

There are a couple notable outliers in terms of mediums (Skoda T50, AMX 30) but those are both high-carry tanks.

TIER 8

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/08_USSR_49665_Ob252U.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/08_FRANCE_62785_AMXM449.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/08_USA_58657_ChryslerGF.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/08_GERMANY_19729_VK10001P.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/08_USA_58913_T26E5.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/08_CHINA_49_Type59.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/08_FRANCE_62529_Lorr40t.png

https://github.com/schust/wot-visualization/blob/master/wot-visualization/plots/pt_average/08_USSR_47617_STG.png

From my skimming, almost all of the best-performing tanks are all premiums...

I was slightly surprised to see the STG performing so well, but it does have an accurate, hard-hitting gun for a tier 8.

 

 

Power creep is real



PS. Thank you WG for not selling the defender again..
 

Edited by NickMustaine, 02 June 2018 - 08:44 AM.


Enforcer1975 #2 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:23 PM

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Russian bias confirmed. 

Bordhaw #3 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:25 PM

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And what do you propose we do with this earth shattering discovery ? 

vasilinhorulezz #4 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:25 PM

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113 and not S. Conqueror in the top 5?

Also, Type 4 is actually pretty bad, reload is too long and the armor is bad actually, 

but I was amazed that the 257 is on the list, I was pretty sure that only bobs drive it, and most of the time I meet one, it gets farmed.



test_2018 #5 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:26 PM

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View PostBordhaw, on 02 March 2018 - 03:25 PM, said:

 

And what do you propose we do with this earth shattering discovery ? 

 

Start ranting and uninstalling wot?

Dava_117 #6 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:26 PM

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View Posttest_2018, on 02 March 2018 - 03:21 PM, said:

PS. Thank you WG for not selling the defender again..

 

You just showed that Defender is the most OP tank in tier 8. You should be glad WG didn't sold it on EU.

test_2018 #7 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:26 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 02 March 2018 - 03:26 PM, said:

 

You just showed that Defender is the most OP tank in tier 8. You should be glad WG didn't sold it on EU.

 

I am, didn't I just say so?

 

It wasn't sarcasm...


Edited by test_2018, 02 March 2018 - 03:27 PM.


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take a look at the WZ-120-1FT, that thing overpreforms aswell, across the board and with quite a margin 

 

 

 


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View Posttest_2018, on 02 March 2018 - 03:26 PM, said:

 

I am, didn't I just say so?

 

It wasn't sarcasm...

 

It looked like. 

But then glad to be wrong on that interpretation. :)



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View PostDava_117, on 02 March 2018 - 03:28 PM, said:

 

It looked like. 

But then glad to be wrong on that interpretation. :)

 

Best thing EU cluster has done for this game

Dava_117 #11 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:34 PM

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On topic, 113 at tier 10 is quite unexpected, while type 4 not being in tier 9 list is more predictable. The derp has bad DPM (in fact I saw lots of type4 with the 14cm) while the armour has some real weackspot and can be frontally penned by a good number of tier 9 HTs.

Tier 9 also seems the best balanced tier, as it's somehow predictable.


Edited by Dava_117, 02 March 2018 - 03:34 PM.


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It's more or less the same on EU. 705's, 430U and the new TD is high up on the WR. I suspect for the same reason as here. Their "lobsters" have not unlocked most of them yet to drag them down, as most are still on the IS-M etc. 430 and the 263 line was unpopular there as it was here. So not many got the new TD. As the 268 has close to a million in population on RU. 268 4 has 142 000 on RU. Tomatoes are still grinding it. As we still only have 20K 268 4's on EU. That's not much for a tier X .

 

Then again other tanks are way worse off there vs here. IS-3 to name one. It was the worst tier 8 on WR. Thus why it got the magical side armor buff. RU server is not the worst server stats to keep an eye on for what they might buff late. As if a tank does great on the other servers. But suffers on RU. It will be buffed most likely. Thus why most of the buffs of late, inc the Russian tier 8 prem meds that have been buffed the last 3 patches. As they have a 50 to 51% WR on EU. But on RU they are in the 47 to 48% area.



Noo_Noo #13 Posted 02 March 2018 - 03:39 PM

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Well at least it appears to be pretty much as expected and relatively consistent with the EU server. 

​So basically WG have no excuse for comments like.

 

Type 5 is fine etc.

 

They are aware of the issue.



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So basically the findings were nothing new, we've been saying these tanks are OP and/or broken for ages, but now that it's Russian server data we might actually see WG listen to it.

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View PostK_A, on 02 March 2018 - 04:01 PM, said:

So basically the findings were nothing new, we've been saying these tanks are OP and/or broken for ages, but now that it's Russian server data we might actually see WG listen to it.

 

Pretty much this, but it also shows the power creep the new vehicles bring to this game. The results of this analysis cannot be (at least fully) explained by that only good players have been playing the new tanks. It shows pretty well that regardless the skill level the new vehicles are overperforming.

 

The worst example is obj 268 v4.



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No T95 for tier 9?
http://wot-news.com/.../eu/usa/A40_T95
Looks pretty op if you ask me

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View PostDutchBaron_, on 02 March 2018 - 04:12 PM, said:

No T95 for tier 9?
http://wot-news.com/.../eu/usa/A40_T95
Looks pretty op if you ask me

 

It is OP. 

Quite high is Tortie as well. Some people on this forum claimed that Mauschen is OP, but he, E75, VK auf B are not in same place where Conqueror is, wonder why...

Edited by ares354, 02 March 2018 - 04:42 PM.


Ricky_Rolls #18 Posted 02 March 2018 - 04:42 PM

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Yea man 705 is clearly op af, pls nerf it.

vixu #19 Posted 02 March 2018 - 04:47 PM

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type59 is a bit of a surprise. compared to many tier8s, it is not that outstanding.

leggasiini #20 Posted 02 March 2018 - 04:56 PM

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Object 705 is a big surprise for me. I heard from most who have it that its bad, and it doesnt seem that good from paper stats, either. 113 is another rather big surprise for me, considering most consider the 5A just better.

 

As for the Type 4, its still undoubtedly broken, but a as tank itself, its actually not even that good; let alone even close on the level of it's bigger brother, the Type 5. Keep on mind that the platform is just as bad as it was before 9.17.1 (and Type 4 was widely accepted as one of the worst tier 9 HTs), and while it does have the derp gun with its P2W HE, it has atrocious gun handling and reload. It doesnt really surprise me that its that low.

 

Lack of T95 is also rather surprising, though Russian meta is more yoloish and aggressive than EU meta so I guess T95 suffers bit more because of that.


Edited by leggasiini, 02 March 2018 - 04:57 PM.





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