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_funitoo__ #1 Posted 04 March 2018 - 12:56 PM

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First of, yes I did google. But it only confirmed what I expected - that people are crap at explaining things. And since WG is even worse at it I don't want to spend all my day trying to figure this out. I'm sure a few of you have figured this out and the explanation is very simple. So, who here is capable of a proper explanation?

 

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And what is your question? Which one is better? Purely by looking at the numbers, situational awareness gives a 3% boost to view range while recon only gives 2%, so sit awareness is better. Also, sit awareness is a radio operator skill, and radio operators don't have as many useful skills as the commander so that is a double clear winner if the radio operator is a separate crew member. It's still best if you have both.

AllTheChildren #3 Posted 04 March 2018 - 01:02 PM

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Recon gives at 100%  a 2% increase in view-range and if your optics are damaged (until they are repaired, yellow) a 50% lower view range penalty.

 

Example, without recon  your view-range drops from 450 m to 225 m.

With recon it drops from 450 m to 338 m.

 

Situational Awareness grants at 100% a 3% increase in view-range.

 

That's the difference.

 



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Situational awareness is better. 

_funitoo__ #5 Posted 04 March 2018 - 01:06 PM

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View PostAllTheChildren, on 04 March 2018 - 01:02 PM, said:

Example, without recon  your view-range drops from 450 m to 225 m.

With recon it drops from 450 m to 338 m.

 

 

What do you mean by that? What it drops from?

 

Edit, isn't max view range 445m for all tanks?


Edited by _funitoo__, 04 March 2018 - 01:08 PM.


AllTheChildren #6 Posted 04 March 2018 - 01:09 PM

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View Post_funitoo__, on 04 March 2018 - 12:06 PM, said:

 

What do you mean by that? What it drops from?

 

If your optics get damaged, they are red in the panel in the left lower corner, you get a 50 view-range penalty.

It halfs your current view-range.

With recon, that penalty is halved, instead of 50% it is 25%.

 

But if your optics are repaired, yellow in the panel in the left lower corner, you get your normal view-range back.

 

If your commander is also radioman, pick situational awareness first.


Edited by AllTheChildren, 04 March 2018 - 01:11 PM.


Tom_Deekanarry #7 Posted 04 March 2018 - 01:11 PM

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I use both and then cammo for the rest of the crew.

brumbarr #8 Posted 04 March 2018 - 01:11 PM

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View PostAllTheChildren, on 04 March 2018 - 01:09 PM, said:

 

If your optics get damaged, they are red in the panel in the left lower corner, you get a 50 view-range penalty.

It halfs your current view-range.

With recon, that penalty is halved, instead of 50% it is 25%.

 

Which is kinda useless anyway, since they repair themselfes and orange optics dotn give any penalty.

_funitoo__ #9 Posted 04 March 2018 - 01:15 PM

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View PostAllTheChildren, on 04 March 2018 - 01:09 PM, said:

 

If your optics get damaged, they are red in the panel in the left lower corner, you get a 50 view-range penalty.

It halfs your current view-range.

With recon, that penalty is halved, instead of 50% it is 25%.

 

But if your optics are repaired, yellow in the panel in the left lower corner, you get your normal view-range back.

 

If your commander is also radioman, pick situational awareness first.

 

That's good stuff, but there is some other understanding I'm missing here.

 

There is max view range, so no tank can spot past that distance. Is that 445m? So is Recon going to increase it? Because it says "increases max view range".



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View Post_funitoo__, on 04 March 2018 - 01:15 PM, said:

 

That's good stuff, but there is some other understanding I'm missing here.

 

There is max view range, so no tank can spot past that distance. Is that 445m? So is Recon going to increase it? Because it says "increases max view range".

 

Counters cammo.

TungstenHitman #11 Posted 04 March 2018 - 01:25 PM

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View Postbrumbarr, on 04 March 2018 - 12:11 PM, said:

 

Which is kinda useless anyway, since they repair themselfes and orange optics dotn give any penalty.

 

Exactly, the optics repair themselves really quickly you need only take a step back for a second. Lets put it this way, your optics repair back to full view range just about the same time as a spotted target will disappear so it's not much of a problem. Couple to that, having half a view range really isn't much use to you anyway 99% of the time, target will be either too far away or very close to 50% view range or 25% view range makes no difference.

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View Post_funitoo__, on 04 March 2018 - 12:15 PM, said:

 

That's good stuff, but there is some other understanding I'm missing here.

 

There is max view range, so no tank can spot past that distance. Is that 445m? So is Recon going to increase it? Because it says "increases max view range".

 

445m is the maximum you can spot. However going above that will negate camo and allow you to spot tanks from further away than before.

 

 



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I always go for Situational awareness first and then recon

_funitoo__ #14 Posted 04 March 2018 - 01:30 PM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 04 March 2018 - 01:25 PM, said:

 

445m is the maximum you can spot. However going above that will negate camo and allow you to spot tanks from further away than before.

 

 

 

OK so it's like imaginary view range? It's there but not there at the same time? Kind of like view range vs camo battle?

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View Post_funitoo__, on 04 March 2018 - 12:30 PM, said:

 

OK so it's like imaginary view range? It's there but not there at the same time? Kind of like view range vs camo battle?

 

Yes

All within 445m view range.

But if your view range is at 470, then it is easier to spot a 20 camo rating tank sooner, while a 30 cammo rating tank will be much harder to spot, unless your view range is say 520.

 

It is a competition between view range on one side of the equation, and camo rating on the otherside, and the winner generally gets to shot first (or his allies do).


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_funitoo__ #16 Posted 04 March 2018 - 01:38 PM

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So in principle are Recon and Situational Awareness the same thing? I mean they both simply add to my current view range and the wording itself (extends view range, increases maximum view range) is a bit confusing?

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View Post_funitoo__, on 04 March 2018 - 12:30 PM, said:

 

OK so it's like imaginary view range? It's there but not there at the same time? Kind of like view range vs camo battle?

 

Exactly.

 

Spotting is a direct battle between the Spotters view range and the Spotees camo value.



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View Post_funitoo__, on 04 March 2018 - 12:15 PM, said:

 

That's good stuff, but there is some other understanding I'm missing here.

 

There is max view range, so no tank can spot past that distance. Is that 445m? So is Recon going to increase it? Because it says "increases max view range".

 

3% doesn't seem like much but its actually is a lot of view range meters gained for some tanks. Tanks with large base view range make best use of this of course while it's not really of any use on terribly short sighted tanks but for some tanks that 3% gain is essential and either complete to an almost perfect 445 in conjunction with a set optics or with a vent or both. You always want to try and have the full view range and both these skills at higher tier can actually allow some tanks have the full 445 view range without even a set of optics which of course is very nice since you now have a free equipment slot to equip something else more gainful for that tanks or players preferred playstyle while still picking up some nice spotting assist either purposefully or as is sometimes the case, accidentally lol and just not getting shot to death by a target you can't see hopefully.

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View Post_funitoo__, on 04 March 2018 - 12:38 PM, said:

So in principle are Recon and Situational Awareness the same thing? I mean they both simply add to my current view range and the wording itself (extends view range, increases maximum view range) is a bit confusing?

 

Both the same thing by way of function. Both are a view range increase and both are a skill so those increases happen as soon as you start putting percentage increases on these skills. As other said, situ runs to 3% gain while recon runs to 2% but with a damaged optics reduction included but no difference in terms of what they do and when they start to give this view range increase

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Sweet, I learned something new today  :D




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