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Dr_ownape #1 Posted 05 March 2018 - 03:47 PM

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Found this snippit and no topics on it yet

 

https://thearmoredpa...018/#more-63247

 

"pref MM tanks will be buffed, because the MM will be increased, thus WG wants them to be fun, but not OP"

 

Will be interesting to see what they do. In my garage....

 

E25 = it is probably nearly OK but perhaps a pen buff is all it needs

JgTig = speed or more armour. Gun is OK

T23E3 = pen buff

WZ-111 = armour buff without a doubt, already lacking against it's stable mates of 112 and IS-6

TOG = wow i still own it. no idea how to make this work against tier 8s

Excelsior = ?? dont care really

Chruchy 3 = ?? dont care really


Edited by Dr_ownape, 05 March 2018 - 03:54 PM.


Shivva #2 Posted 05 March 2018 - 03:49 PM

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Yeah, I believe they are doing the KV-5 first...great tank but no way suited to taking on tier 10's in it's current state. Watching with interest as I do love my PMM tankies.

 

edit: copying Mr Ape ;)

 

Type 59 - pen buff plz

Super Pershing -  engine power

KV-5 - pen buff, maybe buff r2-d2's again

 


Edited by Shivva, 05 March 2018 - 03:58 PM.


lifelessgamer #3 Posted 05 March 2018 - 03:55 PM

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Good, a bunch need some buffs anyways: KV-5, IS-6, FCM.

Moderate buffs: SP, Type 59 

 

Then there is the E25.


Edited by lifelessgamer, 05 March 2018 - 04:01 PM.


Dwimmerlaik93 #4 Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:00 PM

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jagdtiger 8.8 need pen buff 200 pen is terrible for tier 8 td

D4wiD3K #5 Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:01 PM

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Wohoo, more fodder for tier 10s! But we'll have 225 penetration with the tanks so that's totally gonna compensate. Fighting Mauses, Object 268Us and Type 5s with 225 penetration is going to solve all the problems. Let's all celebrate!

 

Oh well, demanding refunds when the changes take place. If I want another IS-5 to rot in my garage, I'll buy an IS-3A. Which I won't because it's just not fun to play as bottom tier heavy without armor 70% of the time. I don't want my 112 to turn into that.

 

All I am asking for is 200 pen for the PMM tanks as buff. Or alternatively just leave them as they are. I have no desire in another tier 10 food tank.


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Balc0ra #6 Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:17 PM

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So far they have only talked about tier 8 prem MM tanks regarding this issue. I've seen no mention of tier 7 tanks or lower when they have talked about it before. Or even the +0 tanks on tier 4 like the B2 and Valentine II. Then again, it's not just premiums that have pref MM. B1 and DW2 on tier 4 have +1 MM as well. As their guns did not work to well on the HT lines. So because of those, and the chain of thought there. I doubt they will do it for all tiers as such.

 

But if they do. Some will need more then a pen buff to be "valid" for +2. The Tog II vs tier 8? He don't have +1 MM due to the gun like most. As the 17 pounder are on their tier 7 HT's. Even if they gave it an insane DPM buff it would not work to well. It's size and speed is an issue there.

 

Most tier 5 pref MM prems will work for +2 with pen buffs. So I see no issue there. Then again the M4 Improved has +2 MM with sub 100 pen. As he has the same gun the T14 has. And despite it's bad performance. No buff there yet.

 

View PostD4wiD3K, on 05 March 2018 - 04:01 PM, said:

Wohoo, more fodder for tier 10s! But we'll have 225 penetration with the tanks so that's totally gonna compensate. Fighting Mauses, Object 268Us and Type 5s with 225 penetration is going to solve all the problems. Let's all celebrate!

 

I would rather my IS-6 faced tier X's with 220+ pen. Then facing the tier 8 armor of late as top tier with 217 gold pen vs their 220mm armor.


Edited by Balc0ra, 05 March 2018 - 04:18 PM.


vixu #7 Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:21 PM

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That sounds kinda bad.... many pref mm tonks are decent cause of the pref mm. 

CaptainMastiff #8 Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:21 PM

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It's going to be so bad, I'll be wanting refunds on all my pref MM tanks.

Naturally that won't happen because War Gaming can do what they want with them. Though we all know they'll [edited]it up and expect everyone to be happy with the result.

 

Instead of just fixing the matchmaker, they're trying their best to shoe horn everything into this god awful 3/5/7 match up. I'd happily have the old MM back, at least then a tier X game would be once every so often, not every game.


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Shivva #9 Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:23 PM

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I'm pretty sure they will offer refunds (in gold value) on any PMM tank they mess with.

DracheimFlug #10 Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:33 PM

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They have been discussing doing this for a couple years. Will it really happen this time? Who knows? But it is not a new suggestion from WG.... 

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View PostShivva, on 05 March 2018 - 04:23 PM, said:

I'm pretty sure they will offer refunds (in gold value) on any PMM tank they mess with.

 

only fair option. regardless to the any buff those tanks get.

 

people bought those tanks because of pref MM in first place. at least i did.

so i could platoon with friends and their preff mm tanks.

converting them in just another tier8 premium.

 

God... i cant wait to get rid of that FCM in garage. i would sell it for 1000 gold, not 12000



Steve8066 #12 Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:43 PM

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I find it laughable that WG can say they are probably going to mess with the stats of pref MM tanks to make them fit in, but wont mess with the Defender stats cos of probable complaints from people who own it. Yet more double standards and incompetence.

Dr_ownape #13 Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:45 PM

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View PostDracheimFlug, on 05 March 2018 - 03:33 PM, said:

They have been discussing doing this for a couple years. Will it really happen this time? Who knows? But it is not a new suggestion from WG.... 

 

but i've never seen it offered as "what's happening" in a Q&A session before.

Balc0ra #14 Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:50 PM

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View PostSteve8066, on 05 March 2018 - 04:43 PM, said:

I find it laughable that WG can say they are probably going to mess with the stats of pref MM tanks to make them fit in, but wont mess with the Defender stats cos of probable complaints from people who own it. Yet more double standards and incompetence.

 

Since you were not around for the major T26E4 nerf and the fallout of that. You would know why they never directly nerf any premium anymore. This is not a nerf as such. As the removal of the pref MM will give them better overall stats to preform even better as top tier. And like the T26E4 nerf, they have discussed offering gold refunds for the pref MM tanks that loses it if you so desire it. But if they start to fiddle with any non pref MM premium to nerf it. I suspect it will be way worse then the T26E4 armor nerf episode. 

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View PostDr_ownape, on 05 March 2018 - 04:45 PM, said:

 

but i've never seen it offered as "what's happening" in a Q&A session before.

 

It has come up in Q & A's before. Are you sure 'What's happening' is something WG provided rather than the interviewer just using that as a caption for a summary of what was discussed?

Balc0ra #16 Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:53 PM

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View PostDr_ownape, on 05 March 2018 - 04:45 PM, said:

 

but i've never seen it offered as "what's happening" in a Q&A session before.

 

Well they are short quotes vs a full explanation. As already shown earlier today in a different topic regarding the 263 4 "buff". If you watch the Q&A streams to get the full story, and you would notice most responses are taken out of context and their meaning don't reflect what they actually said. So with that in mind... I would still take it with a grain of salt until I've seen the full Q&A.

MarcoStrapone #17 Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:55 PM

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just give me gold or substitute for my ZUPERPERSHING.

Azgabast #18 Posted 05 March 2018 - 04:56 PM

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Damn,

 

One of the reasons I like these t8 pref mm vehicles is that they don't meet t10s. I imagine the only way to accept a change would be if they got a different gun with better stats which removed pref mm.

Type 59 for example, is a great pref mm tank. Take this away, grant it some rate of fire and pen, and you will get something like a t-44-100.

Let's see what they think though, because some tanks really need the love (some tier 5 ones with horrible pen, for sure).



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View PostBalc0ra, on 05 March 2018 - 03:17 PM, said:

I would rather my IS-6 faced tier X's with 220+ pen. Then facing the tier 8 armor of late as top tier with 217 gold pen vs their 220mm armor.

 

220+ is still extremely bad against tier 9-10 tanks with armor. Furthermore it's not just about the pen but you're going to be forced into playing support 70% of the time with a tank that's just ill-suited for it.

 

Currently even if you can't pen a Type 4 Heavy, E75 or T95 you can at least play actively because your tank can compete on the other areas even with the bad penetration. You can play it as slow medium. When you're bottom tier all the time you're just a limpdick support tank with a tank you bought to play aggressively.



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View PostAzgabast, on 05 March 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

Damn,

 

One of the reasons I like these t8 pref mm vehicles is that they don't meet t10s. I imagine the only way to accept a change would be if they got a different gun with better stats which removed pref mm.

Type 59 for example, is a great pref mm tank. Take this away, grant it some rate of fire and pen, and you will get something like a t-44-100.

Let's see what they think though, because some tanks really need the love (some tier 5 ones with horrible pen, for sure).

 

I really hope they only buff the ones that have problems with the current MM, like the IS6, and KV5. The Type 59 and the Super Pershing, although they meet a lot of tier 9, aren't really that bad. 




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