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Raven_TRW #1 Posted 07 March 2018 - 05:30 PM

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Hi all, firstly thank you for any input on this matter.

 

I go by target damage's website for all my tanks to gage what damage I need to get unicum wn8.

Mostly it seems accurate I guess, bit off on some tanks.

 

But my point is, I plan on free xping the BC 155 58 next week from 0-10 

Target damage shows that you need 2450 dog for a unicum game, is this truly correct? 

Seems a bit high in arties current meta of many getting assist damage, more help the team than yourself like arty used to be.

2450 seems high for the BC, been watching a lot of BC 155 58 streams and the average dmg was like 1.5k and he had it 3marked so has not bad

 

So. In summary is target damage up to date?

Thanks



HundeWurst #2 Posted 07 March 2018 - 05:35 PM

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Being bad at playing arty.... You must be a real special snowflake.

 

THe damage nerf was a lie. I deal on average more damage on my arties than before.



Shivva #3 Posted 07 March 2018 - 05:55 PM

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View PostRaven_TRW, on 07 March 2018 - 04:30 PM, said:

Hi all, firstly thank you for any input on this matter.

 

I go by target damage's website for all my tanks to gage what damage I need to get unicum wn8.

Mostly it seems accurate I guess, bit off on some tanks.

 

But my point is, I plan on free xping the BC 155 58 next week from 0-10 

Target damage shows that you need 2450 dog for a unicum game, is this truly correct? 

Seems a bit high in arties current meta of many getting assist damage, more help the team than yourself like arty used to be.

2450 seems high for the BC, been watching a lot of BC 155 58 streams and the average dmg was like 1.5k and he had it 3marked so has not bad

 

So. In summary is target damage up to date?

Thanks

 

Didn't the wn8 guys stop updating it last year I thought and it just gets more broken with every patch since then. I may be wrong but sure I read that somewhere. Also 3 marking has zero to do with wn8  and very feasible to get a 3 mark on arty with around 1500 avg dmg since they get shedloads of assist dmg, just splash the heavy brawl points before team engages and mop up the assist.

Edited by Shivva, 07 March 2018 - 05:56 PM.


lord_chipmonk #4 Posted 07 March 2018 - 05:56 PM

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View PostShivva, on 07 March 2018 - 05:55 PM, said:

Didn't the wn8 guys stop updating it last year I thought and it just gets more broken with every patch since then. I may be wrong but sure I read that somewhere.

 

I remember something similar. 

Raven_TRW #5 Posted 07 March 2018 - 05:59 PM

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View PostWunderWurst, on 07 March 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

Being bad at playing arty.... You must be a real special snowflake.

 

THe damage nerf was a lie. I deal on average more damage on my arties than before.

Who said im bad at arty? 

And the damaged was nerfed hence the fact arties do lower dmg due to the pen nerf.

But arties on a whole were buffed. I would take the stun over extra damage any day. 

 

 



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View PostShivva, on 07 March 2018 - 05:55 PM, said:

 

Didn't the wn8 guys stop updating it last year I thought and it just gets more broken with every patch since then. I may be wrong but sure I read that somewhere. Also 3 marking has zero to do with wn8  and very feasible to get a 3 mark on arty with around 1500 avg dmg since they get shedloads of assist dmg, just splash the heavy brawl points before team engages and mop up the assist.

I think wot lab guys stopped caring last year (or something along these lines) and introduced a wn8 which was only based on class and tier.

Sometime when T10 light got introduced.

Their change was not pleasantly received.

 

But it seems someone else have taken over.



Raven_TRW #7 Posted 07 March 2018 - 06:07 PM

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View PostShivva, on 07 March 2018 - 05:55 PM, said:

 

Didn't the wn8 guys stop updating it last year I thought and it just gets more broken with every patch since then. I may be wrong but sure I read that somewhere. Also 3 marking has zero to do with wn8  and very feasible to get a 3 mark on arty with around 1500 avg dmg since they get shedloads of assist dmg, just splash the heavy brawl points before team engages and mop up the assist.

Okay thanks.

 

And yeah I mentioned the 3 mark simply to state the players ability on the arty to state the 1.5k avg. dmg compared to the 2450 stated by target damage

 

Thanks for the info, appreciated 

does anybody know the current dmg required for unicum game on BC 155 58 then?

Thanks



HundeWurst #8 Posted 07 March 2018 - 07:19 PM

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View PostRaven_TRW, on 07 March 2018 - 05:59 PM, said:

Who said im bad at arty? 

And the damaged was nerfed hence the fact arties do lower dmg due to the pen nerf.

But arties on a whole were buffed. I would take the stun over extra damage any day. 

 

 

 

Well newflash. The damage is NOT nerfed.

Shivva #9 Posted 07 March 2018 - 07:40 PM

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View PostRaven_TRW, on 07 March 2018 - 05:07 PM, said:

Okay thanks.

 

And yeah I mentioned the 3 mark simply to state the players ability on the arty to state the 1.5k avg. dmg compared to the 2450 stated by target damage

 

Thanks for the info, appreciated 

does anybody know the current dmg required for unicum game on BC 155 58 then?

Thanks

 

probably the same as every other tier 10 arty, think it's all been simplified or something so kinda crappy stat nowadays.

Raven_TRW #10 Posted 07 March 2018 - 08:02 PM

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View PostWunderWurst, on 07 March 2018 - 07:19 PM, said:

 

Well newflash. The damage is NOT nerfed.

Well, the pen is nerfed so the chances of full dmg are lower, so technically the damage is nerfed, there's no need for random trolling when you clearly know what I mean.



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View PostRaven_TRW, on 07 March 2018 - 04:30 PM, said:

Hi all, firstly thank you for any input on this matter.

 

I go by target damage's website for all my tanks to gage what damage I need to get unicum wn8.

Mostly it seems accurate I guess, bit off on some tanks.

 

But my point is, I plan on free xping the BC 155 58 next week from 0-10 

Target damage shows that you need 2450 dog for a unicum game, is this truly correct? 

Seems a bit high in arties current meta of many getting assist damage, more help the team than yourself like arty used to be.

2450 seems high for the BC, been watching a lot of BC 155 58 streams and the average dmg was like 1.5k and he had it 3marked so has not bad

 

So. In summary is target damage up to date?

Thanks

Unicums don't arty.

View PostRaven_TRW, on 07 March 2018 - 07:02 PM, said:

Well, the pen is nerfed so the chances of full dmg are lower, so technically the damage is nerfed, 

But the accuracy and in most cases the reload was buffed so you hit more often.



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View PostHomer_J, on 07 March 2018 - 08:45 PM, said:

But the accuracy and in most cases the reload was buffed so you hit more often.

 

Don't forget the splash radius. 

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View PostLordMuffin, on 07 March 2018 - 06:02 PM, said:

But it seems someone else have taken over.

 

XVM boys took over.  Gets updated very frequently now.

Raven_TRW #14 Posted 07 March 2018 - 08:51 PM

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View PostHomer_J, on 07 March 2018 - 08:45 PM, said:

Unicums don't arty.

But the accuracy and in most cases the reload was buffed so you hit more often.

Oh yeah I know, I think arty is the best its been, but the dmg output is not the 1-2 shots it used to be as the fame member would like to force me to believe.

Im not calling him a liar, has clearly an outstanding player but the logic he is using is troll like. Just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Not complainning tho, I was an outstanding player on LOTRO and did the same to others .

Here im just slightly above average hovering 2.9-3.1k wn8, Coz I bought tanks that don't suit my play style

Its funny to get a taste of my own medicine lol


Edited by Raven_TRW, 07 March 2018 - 08:54 PM.


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View PostWunderWurst, on 07 March 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

Being bad at playing arty.... You must be a real special snowflake.

 

THe damage nerf was a lie. I deal on average more damage on my arties than before.

 

are you playing 261?

I can see the point on  other, hard-hiting arties, but 261 speciality was AP. And this HE just cant do enough... ok, stun is different thing and story. But dmg-wise, 261 is really poor in my eyes.
I think it is even too accurate. if they nerf the acc on that thing, i dont thing players would feel it at all.

(saying it could benefit from acc nerf, and some other buffs)

 

it aims really fast, and is on point. But you cant do dmg to superheavies and heavies.

Low shell arc doesnt help at all.
 

 

after this arty rework, i bought 261 back to try to fix winrate. it was 45ish... man, whatever i have done in that thing, i just couldnt win.
I platooned with 2 decent players, 55% and 2k wn8+, but it was jinxed obviosly. I sold it, meaby will buy it again in a year, to try crossing 51%.


Edited by Igor_BL, 07 March 2018 - 09:09 PM.


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The so-called arty nerf that some people got so excited over? Yeah, that was actually an arty buff. Careful what you wish for is the lesson to learn there, WG might just give it to you.

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View PostShivva, on 07 March 2018 - 04:55 PM, said:

 

Didn't the wn8 guys stop updating it last year I thought and it just gets more broken with every patch since then. I may be wrong but sure I read that somewhere. Also 3 marking has zero to do with wn8  and very feasible to get a 3 mark on arty with around 1500 avg dmg since they get shedloads of assist dmg, just splash the heavy brawl points before team engages and mop up the assist.

 

View Postlord_chipmonk, on 07 March 2018 - 04:56 PM, said:

 

I remember something similar. 

 

View PostLordMuffin, on 07 March 2018 - 05:02 PM, said:

I think wot lab guys stopped caring last year (or something along these lines) and introduced a wn8 which was only based on class and tier.

Sometime when T10 light got introduced.

Their change was not pleasantly received.

 

But it seems someone else have taken over.

 

View PostCmdRatScabies, on 07 March 2018 - 07:47 PM, said:

 

XVM boys took over.  Gets updated very frequently now.

 

WOTLABS who orginially did wn8 with the help of phalanx at vbbadict stopped.

wn8 is now cared for and updated regularly by XVM boys check out KoreanRandom.



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View PostHomer_J, on 07 March 2018 - 07:45 PM, said:

Unicums don't arty.

 

Don't be so sure.

MarianNicolae #19 Posted 08 March 2018 - 09:52 AM

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Raven, I don't think you quite get how those things work.

Gun marks take assistance damage into account, so gun marking an arty/tank means you don't look only at effective damage. Spotting, tracking and stunning also count.

WN8 takes only effective damage into consideration, because as i understand, WG doesn't release assistance damage values for API use, and thus cannot be included in the algorithm of 3rd party sites. 

 

In my opinion, WN8 is overrated because it also rewards camping the back of the map. The personal rating you get in-game however, also takes into account win %, survival %, capture/defense points, assist, kills, etc. In theory, it should indicate skill more accurately. 



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View PostMarianNicolae, on 08 March 2018 - 09:52 AM, said:

Raven, I don't think you quite get how those things work.

Gun marks take assistance damage into account, so gun marking an arty/tank means you don't look only at effective damage. Spotting, tracking and stunning also count.

WN8 takes only effective damage into consideration, because as i understand, WG doesn't release assistance damage values for API use, and thus cannot be included in the algorithm of 3rd party sites. 

 

In my opinion, WN8 is overrated because it also rewards camping the back of the map. The personal rating you get in-game however, also takes into account win %, survival %, capture/defense points, assist, kills, etc. In theory, it should indicate skill more accurately. 

Your just misunderstanding my inclusion of 3 gun mark statement, I was simply using it as an example of the players skill level I was using as my example.

I know wn8 is 85% dmg, small % kills, assist/spotting and that 3 marking is combined and a different ratio.

Perhaps I just worded my posts poorly or ppl misread, I didn't state that wn8 and moe were connected






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