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Poll: Restore the WT Auf E-100 TD? (147 members have cast votes)

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Would you like to see a return of the WT Auf E-100?

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VsUK #1 Posted 08 March 2018 - 03:27 PM

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They removed it because it was seen as over powered. But since then, WG have introduced far more powerful TDs that are virtually resistant to reg ammo. So a return of this would be a brilliant move. A side option to the Grill 15 which is a pathetic replacement in comparison to every other TD in the game. 

I worked hard to get that TD, then WG announced they we're going to remove it in the next patch & replaced it with a TD that costs less exp, credits to research/buy. It would also be a good TD to use to counter the onslaught of soviet TD spam.

Grand_Moff_Tano #2 Posted 08 March 2018 - 03:29 PM

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I was under the impression it had been removed because it was a fake.

vasilinhorulezz #3 Posted 08 March 2018 - 03:32 PM

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It was broken, not overpowered.

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View PostChipmunk_of_Vengeance, on 08 March 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

I was under the impression it had been removed because it was a fake.

 

Well it was a TD that didn't exist. But so are most of the tanks in this game with stats way beyond the real capabilities of said tank. Back then, I understood why people said it didn't belong because it didn't exist. But since then, WG have contradicted themselves by morphing tanks that was only a theory rather than practical application & putting them into the game. Germany needs an Auto loader. 

 

View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 08 March 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

It was broken, not overpowered.
 

Broken how? The only reason it would have been broken is if WG intended it that way to use it as an excuse to remove it. I found the TD very enjoyable. But also very killable if your caught by the enemy. 

 


Edited by VsUK, 08 March 2018 - 03:36 PM.


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View PostVsUK, on 08 March 2018 - 03:34 PM, said:

 

 

Broken how? The only reason it would have been broken is if WG intended it that way to use it as an excuse to remove it. I found the TD very enjoyable. But also very killable if your caught by the enemy. 

 

 

It was/is broken because it was able to 1 clip even super heavies



Martijn_mk2 #6 Posted 08 March 2018 - 03:44 PM

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Wg introduced a lot of new OP tanks, so we better bring back the old removed OP tanks.

Yep that will make the game better :P

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View PostHaZardeur, on 08 March 2018 - 02:40 PM, said:

 

It was/is broken because it was able to 1 clip even super heavies

 

But would it be able to do this with the new line of tanks & weak spot removal? All they had to do was lower the pen or damage per shot. Its no more OP then the current tanks we have or the tier 9 BC 25t AP that can empty 6 rounds in a tier 10 med & leave it gasping for life. Or the TVP 50/51 that can empty its clip & more or less fully reload by the time you manage to get a 2nd shot off in a E-100. 

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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 08 March 2018 - 02:32 PM, said:

It was broken, not overpowered.

 

It was indeed broken.

 

The problem with it was twofold (a) a very poor player in a WTFe100 rushes forward and clips out an enemy heavy. He dies immediately thereafter. However he spoilt the match for the innocent heavy tank player who stood no chance. (b) a very good player in a WTFe100 takes single shots early game at extreme range in an attempt not to get spotted, and then end game clips anything and clears up for the inevitable win.

 

High skill ceiling vehicle, that could ruin a game for a single opposing player in the hands of an unskilled player. So broken but not OP.

 

WG talked about bringing it back as a tier VIII premium. This is almost ridiculously easy to do. Take the tier VII Krupp-Steyr Waffentrager. Leave all it's attributes as they are. Give it a three round magazine with an inter-clip reload of 2.3 secs and a full magazine re-load of 24 seconds. The shells do 240 damage each, and have penetration of 203.


Edited by arthurwellsley, 08 March 2018 - 03:52 PM.


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View Postarthurwellsley, on 08 March 2018 - 02:45 PM, said:

 

It was indeed broken.

 

The problem with it was twofold (a) a very poor player in a WTFe100 rushes forward and clips out an enemy heavy. He dies immediately thereafter. However he spoilt the match for the innocent heavy tank player who stood no chance. (b) a very good player in a WTFe100 takes single shots early game at extreme range in an attempt not to get spotted, and then end game clips anything and clears up for the inevitable win.

 

High skill ceiling vehicle, that could ruin a game for a single opposing player in the hands of an unskilled player. So broken but not OP.

 

Is that any different to T10 lights with premium ammo? The ability to rush in, light up the entire enemy & let your team do the work. But the same thing can be said with the type 4/5's. You can just drive head on into enemy lines & not have a scratch on you. I personally found it fun & to play. I can quote people who've been saying the same things about the 268 4s mind. 

ApocalypseSquad #10 Posted 08 March 2018 - 03:58 PM

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268 4 is way more broken than the WT Auf E-100 was.  However I am not sure I would want it back in the game.  2 wrongs don't make a right.

 

I think the issue is that those who ground hard (or, ahem, flushed vast quantities of free exp...  :hiding: ;) deserve a better replacement than the lamentable Grille 15...



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Funny, isnt that the guy that screams about OP tanks and WG not listening to its players?  :amazed:

So the trueth comes out at last. :trollface:   :bajan:   :trollface:

 

View PostVsUK, on 08 March 2018 - 05:27 PM, said:

...But since then, WG have introduced far more powerful TDs ...

 

Stopped reading here.

From what i read if one was lucky they could kill 2 full hp tier 10 tanks if catch them by surprise.

And it had PROPER TD PENETRATION + DAMAGE.

And turret.

And probly not bad accuracy but i duno about that one.

I dont know any that could do that with single clip.

 

 

PLEASE tell me this was a troll topic and you just wana have some fun in forum.



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Indifferent 

leggasiini #13 Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:06 PM

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No.

 

...although I would love to feast on them with my Type 5 and FV4005. Still no.



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View PostVsUK, on 08 March 2018 - 02:51 PM, said:

 

Is that any different to T10 lights with premium ammo? The ability to rush in, light up the entire enemy & let your team do the work. But the same thing can be said with the type 4/5's. You can just drive head on into enemy lines & not have a scratch on you. I personally found it fun & to play. I can quote people who've been saying the same things about the 268 4s mind. 

 

No it is different. No vehicle presently in game has the ability to rush at the enemy head on, and send one single enemy tank straight to the garage with one clip. That's the problem with it.

 

A tier 10 light even using premium ammunition has poor accuracy (which drops off alot with range) and poor dpm. Tier X lights are weak mediums.

 

Type 4/5 Sumo tanks, need time to work. Yes they have excellent armour, but they drive very slowly, and have a long reload between shells. They take a very long time to send enemies to the garage, but if the enemy give them time to work they can be devastating.

 

Object 268 v4. The problem with that one is it has excellent frontal armour and straight line speed. It is designed as an assault TD. So yes it can rush forward and hold an advanced position, but no it cannot clip out one enemy heavy straight off. It does 650 damage per shell with a nominal re-load of 17 seconds. An enemy IS7 with 2,400 health needs to be hit four times by that TD which notionally takes 51 seconds (assumes the TD gets the first shot in during such an engagement).

 

In comparison the WTFe100 has five shells in the clip, each shell does 490 damage, the inter-clip re-load is 2 seconds, and thus the WTFe100 can clip dead the IS7 in eight seconds delivering 2,450 damage! Yes the Object 268 v4 is a balance problem, but it is a very different problem from the WTFe100.

 

Admittedly owning a WTFe100 was quite amusing.

 

Also the Grille 15 before the nerf was a bit like owning a pre-nerf Hellcat on steroids. Drive bys were a thing then.

Patch notes 9.17.1 = https://worldoftanks...71-updatenotes/

  • Grille 15 
    • Changed the reloading time for the 15cm Pak L/63 gun from 16.5s to 18s
    • Changed the gun depression angle for the 15cm Pak L/63 gun from -8 degrees to -7 degrees
    • Changed the reverse speed from 20km/h to 15km/h
    • Changed the engine power of Maybach NL 234 from 900 h.p. to 850 h.p.
    • Reduced velocity of the Pzgr. shell for the 5 cm Pak L/63 gun from 1350 to 1200

 


Edited by arthurwellsley, 08 March 2018 - 04:14 PM.


Simeon85 #15 Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:10 PM

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No, it was broken. 

 

2800 clip potential meant it was able to clip every tier 10 tank from full HP in 8s, it's also essentially three 1k HP tanks mid game as well.

 

With extremely fast aim time, best in game accuracy (before Strv), 2s between shots and 352mm penetration APCR rounds. Let's also not forget a turret. It was a base camping bobs wet dream tank because they would camp in base the whole game, popping out 1/2 twice to nuke full HP tanks or to clip 3/4 tanks that were lower HP.

 

Just compare it the Foch B, which already has a dodgy clip size as it is -

 

+ 560 alpha to 400

+ much higher pen on both rounds.

+ turret

+ accuracy

+ aim time. 

 

Even getting hit from this thing twice you were already looking at nearly 1200 hit points down, and that is in 2s, which is quicker than a JpE100 or 183 can do that sort of damage due to their gun handling and awkwardness. Plus the Waffle would do it much more reliably thanks to the accuracy and APCR rounds.  


Edited by Simeon85, 08 March 2018 - 04:12 PM.


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View PostSimeon85, on 08 March 2018 - 06:10 PM, said:

No, it was broken. 

 

2800 clip potential meant it was able to clip every tier 10 tank from full HP in 8s, it's also essentially three 1k HP tanks mid game as well.

 

With extremely fast aim time, best in game accuracy (before Strv), 2s between shots and 352mm penetration APCR rounds. Let's also not forget a turret. It was a base camping bobs wet dream tank because they would camp in base the whole game, popping out 1/2 twice to nuke full HP tanks or to clip 3/4 tanks that were lower HP.

 

Just compare it the Foch B, which already has a dodgy clip size as it is -

 

+ 560 alpha to 400

+ much higher pen on both rounds.

+ turret

+ accuracy

+ aim time. 

 

Even getting hit from this thing twice you were already looking at nearly 1200 hit points down, and that is in 2s, which is quicker than a JpE100 or 183 can do that sort of damage due to their gun handling and awkwardness. Plus the Waffle would do it much more reliably thanks to the accuracy and APCR rounds.  

 

How many bullets it had? 5 or 6?

I remember in wot championship youtube video it destroying 3 enemy tanks from behind like nothing at all. That looked spectacular. :trollface:.



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View Postimendars, on 08 March 2018 - 03:14 PM, said:

 

How many bullets it had? 5 or 6?

I remember in wot championship youtube video it destroying 3 enemy tanks from behind like nothing at all. That looked spectacular. :trollface:.

 

Five in the magazine.

Average damage 490 each shell.

Clip potential in eight seconds = 2,450 damage.

 

Although when first introduced into the game it had a SIX shell magazine for a truly monstrous 2,940 damage in ten seconds. However that was nerfed in patch 9.2;

Waffenträger auf E 100:

  • Movement dispersion for Waffenträger auf E 100 suspension increased by 25%
  • Dispersion on hull traverse for Waffenträger auf E 100 suspension increased by 25%
  • Reload time for 12.8cm Kanone L/61 gun for Waffenträger auf E 100 turret changed from 60 s to 52 s
  • Magazine shell quantity for 12.8cm Kanone L/61 gun for Waffenträger auf E 100 turret changed from 6 to 5

Edited by arthurwellsley, 08 March 2018 - 04:21 PM.


samuelx43a #18 Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:19 PM

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What on earth have you been smoking man?

That thing was just too extreme, insane clip damage(pre nerf if could clip a maus)

So no, I'm not interested in that abomimation to come back


Edited by samuelx43a, 08 March 2018 - 04:21 PM.


dimethylcadmium #19 Posted 08 March 2018 - 04:20 PM

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Reduce the clip size to 4 x 560 and bring it back - tier 10 and 9 players have become too overconfident because of their new luxury MM....fight cancer with cancer, the game will never be balanced anyway.

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View PostVsUK, on 08 March 2018 - 03:27 PM, said:

They removed it because it was seen as over powered. But since then, WG have introduced far more powerful TDs that are virtually resistant to reg ammo. So a return of this would be a brilliant move. A side option to the Grill 15 which is a pathetic replacement in comparison to every other TD in the game.

 

Well... new TD's might be powerful. But the last one lacks even DPM. WT auf E100 had 3000 burst damage. A Maus gone in a few seconds, and it had low dispersion on one of it's guns. Do you really want that back vs the low DPM, 650 alpha and 0.42 dispersion 268 4? Even if it has armor?

 

Then again OP and 100% broken is not the one and the same. As that's why it was removed. Not because it was OP. It did nothing but wreck the game. Can't say that about the other TD's. Not even the 183.

 

View PostChipmunk_of_Vengeance, on 08 March 2018 - 03:29 PM, said:

I was under the impression it had been removed because it was a fake.

 

That was one of the reasons. But broken was the other. Tho the guy that wanted all fake tanks gone is not at WG anymore. So the others he wanted gone are still there.


Edited by Balc0ra, 08 March 2018 - 04:23 PM.





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