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CamperKaempfer #1 Posted 10 March 2018 - 03:39 PM

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the carro medio celere sahariano aka fiat m16/43 will not appear in the italian tech tree

 

here is a proposal by me on how to introduce it as either a tier 4 or a tier 5

 

there are two tier 2's in the tech tree, but both lead to the same tier 3.

 

they might conjoin instead at tier 5 with either line having the m16/43 as a tier 4 and a prototype of the p-26/40 with flat armour and a 47mm l40 gun as a tier 3. the p-75 might also be a good tier 3 and has a unique appearance with a minituret below the main at its back.

 

alternatively, given wargaming's knack for finding unhistorical engines, the m16/43 could be a tier 5, similar to the soviet t-50.

it could also mount the p-40's 75mm gun, as was planned during ww2, in an unspecified turret.

at tier 4 would sit a contemporary proposal by ansaldo with its historical 275hp engine. it was basically a fiat 13/40 with a widened hull to fit the more powerful engine , sloped frontal glacis and of course the longer 47mm gun.

 

below are the side views of both tanks respectively. you can tell them apart by looking at the suspensions and the front: the sahariano is the one with bigger wheels, no leaf spring bogies and one hatch on the upper left of the glacis

 

please let me know what you think and tell me your own ideas if you have any

 

 

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Edited by CamperKaempfer, 10 March 2018 - 03:58 PM.


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No!

CamperKaempfer #3 Posted 10 March 2018 - 03:50 PM

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View PostOneFromOne, on 10 March 2018 - 03:41 PM, said:

No!

 

why not?

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View PostCamperKaempfer, on 10 March 2018 - 03:50 PM, said:

 

why not?

 

yes

Dava_117 #5 Posted 10 March 2018 - 03:58 PM

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IIRC, WG said it is planned an italian HT and TD branch. May be the Sahariano will be there...

FluffyRedFox #6 Posted 10 March 2018 - 03:59 PM

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View PostTsundereWaffle, on 10 March 2018 - 03:54 PM, said:

 

yes

 

I agree 

CamperKaempfer #7 Posted 10 March 2018 - 04:17 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 10 March 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

IIRC, WG said it is planned an italian HT and TD branch. May be the Sahariano will be there...

 

did they?

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View PostDava_117, on 10 March 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

IIRC, WG said it is planned an italian HT and TD branch. May be the Sahariano will be there...

 

Doesn't look like much of a heavy or tank destroyer though.

Dava_117 #9 Posted 10 March 2018 - 04:31 PM

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View PostTwistedDrake, on 10 March 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:

 

Doesn't look like much of a heavy or tank destroyer though.

 

The same can be said for Valentine, that is on UK 2nd TD line... :)

CamperKaempfer #10 Posted 10 March 2018 - 04:40 PM

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View PostDava_117, on 10 March 2018 - 04:31 PM, said:

 

The same can be said for Valentine, that is on UK 2nd TD line... :)

 

indeed but there are options for lower tiers. odd. plus, what would be in the higher tiers?

Edited by CamperKaempfer, 10 March 2018 - 04:54 PM.


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View PostDava_117, on 10 March 2018 - 04:31 PM, said:

 

The same can be said for Valentine, that is on UK 2nd TD line... :)

 

That one at least has TD mount compared to the Italian one.

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View PostTwistedDrake, on 10 March 2018 - 05:18 PM, said:

 

That one at least has TD mount compared to the Italian one.

 

Just in terms of pen... this long 47mm may have comparable pen and suit a low tire TD line. :)

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View PostDava_117, on 10 March 2018 - 04:31 PM, said:

 

The same can be said for Valentine, that is on UK 2nd TD line... :)

I think there's a real good reason as to why the valentine leads to the archer :v



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View PostTwistedDrake, on 10 March 2018 - 04:22 PM, said:

 

Doesn't look like much of a heavy or tank destroyer though.

indeed it doesn't. and there's no need to fill whatever tier can be filled by the sahariano with something other than a td, since there are options at such low tiers, and higher tiers won't even be introduced at all because they don't exist (most likely). so if there are no high tiers, and no low tiers either, there's no line

View PostDava_117, on 10 March 2018 - 04:31 PM, said:

 

The same can be said for Valentine, that is on UK 2nd TD line... :)

yes but the archer is based on the valentine (same chassis). furthermore, there were no td's available for the low tiers of the line, and at the same time some light tanks left over from the centurion line to fill the gap

View Postfishbob101, on 10 March 2018 - 05:48 PM, said:

I think there's a real good reason as to why the valentine leads to the archer :v

yup. plus it was needed as  filler, while those places can be filled by td's in an italian line (unless they want to make more than one but i strongly doubt it)


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View PostDava_117, on 10 March 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

IIRC, WG said it is planned an italian HT and TD branch. May be the Sahariano will be there...

 

This one looks legit:



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View PostAikl, on 10 March 2018 - 07:05 PM, said:

 

This one looks legit:

hearts of iron. well you know it's fictional but i want to react anyway, so, you know it's fake, right?

Edited by CamperKaempfer, 10 March 2018 - 07:42 PM.


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View PostCamperKaempfer, on 10 March 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

the carro medio celere sahariano aka fiat m16/43 will not appear in the italian tech tree

 

Well I doubt that the Italian Tech Tree is finished with the presented vehicles. 

Especially as there is a second light on Tier 2 with the L6/40 - I am sure there will follow more vehicles and the M16/43 is a logical tank to fill any upcoming light line. But it doubt this will occur before 2019 - as the polish tanks are probably more desired by WG and the community compared to further italian tanks ...



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View PostDraconariusAT, on 11 March 2018 - 12:56 AM, said:

 

Well I doubt that the Italian Tech Tree is finished with the presented vehicles. 

Especially as there is a second light on Tier 2 with the L6/40 - I am sure there will follow more vehicles and the M16/43 is a logical tank to fill any upcoming light line. But it doubt this will occur before 2019 - as the polish tanks are probably more desired by WG and the community compared to further italian tanks ...

they said they added them both because they were too historically significant to omit



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View PostCamperKaempfer, on 11 March 2018 - 01:34 AM, said:

they said they added them both because they were too historically significant to omit

 

In this case they should have also added the M11/39 or the infamous L3-variants. ;) 

Edited by DraconariusAT, 11 March 2018 - 01:58 AM.


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I struggle to understand why I am so just not bothered about the Italian tanks, do any of them come with an OP gun?





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