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Does the Tiger P need buffs?

  1. Yes (83 votes [76.85%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 76.85%

  2. No (25 votes [23.15%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 23.15%

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blastingcap #1 Posted 10 March 2018 - 07:45 PM

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I'm grinding the Tiger P to get the VK 45.02A (and already have the VK 100.01P), and it's starting to dawn on me how crap this tank is. It was completely good in the old days, but now, the armor feels like crap on a tank that will do 25kph at best.

And many of you will look at the 200mm of frontal armor and think "What is this guy talking about, it's 200mm! Some tier 8s get half of that!" 

But it's crap. Sure, it's 200mm - flat and unangled. The lower plate is 80mm, hull cheeks are also 80mm as well as the sides. The lower plate is fine (it's a German lower plate) but because of the hull cheeks, you can't angle! So your effective armor is 200mm. And let's not forget to mention the turret - you can overmatch the roof, cupola is paper, and unless people shoot right in the middle of the mantlet, there are 2 armor holes to either side of the gun. And the gun is nice when you don't meet tier 9s.

This was a bit ranty, but necessary.



Sergeant_Antaro_Chronus #2 Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:07 PM

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Instead of buffing it, you'd be better if ask to get a Russian premium of a captured Tiger P. At least that one would be OP :trollface:

leggasiini #3 Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:07 PM

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I don't know, the Tiger P is kinda good :trollface:

 


Edited by leggasiini, 10 March 2018 - 08:09 PM.


Jigabachi #4 Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:10 PM

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Not every heavy tank is a brawling tank. The Tiger always was a second line support heavy. Now it's a third line support heavy...

Cobra6 #5 Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:22 PM

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It's gun handling needs improving and the cheeks need to be made 200 flat armour as well, the rest is fine.

 

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MarcoStrapone #6 Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:29 PM

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what german isnt weak?



leggasiini #7 Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:31 PM

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View PostMarcoStrapone, on 10 March 2018 - 09:29 PM, said:

what german isnt weak?

 

VK 100.01 P and Maus :hiding:

MindCrack #8 Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:36 PM

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It's OK when auto aim on a Tiger P with my IS3 Da I sometimes bounce suka I mean WTF how can i bounce weak Tigeru with my rasha tonk

shikaka9 #9 Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:42 PM

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tigerP always was bad , now its hard to meet it in battels, 

vasilinhorulezz #10 Posted 10 March 2018 - 08:49 PM

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Unreliable armor full of weakspots and a humongous cupola, that if you miss it doesn't matter...you just overmatched it's 30mm turret roof.

Also dpm is bad.

Good tank though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

ps. hated it with passion, but leads to the Mause, so if you want one you must suffer.



Brodie_ #11 Posted 10 March 2018 - 09:19 PM

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I voted no, because even though it is not an easy one.
I did very well in it!
It demands a very specific playstyle though.
If you do not get it, it will be Hell!

It definitely had to be sold, once I had got through it.
But I found using, it in a certain way made the grind fairly easy.

The only thing I really did to get the best from it!
Was always go city.
Go round the corner with your front angled.
If you do that, without revealing the hull cheek weak spot!
I found that most people do not understand how weak the lower plate is.
(Most are intent upon shooting the hull cheaks)
So then fire in frustration at your strongest armour & bounce!

It never makes sense to sidescrape , because of those weakspots.
Going round those corners, frontally well angled, allows you to get your shot off, then pull back & reload.
Negating the low dpm.

If they know to shoot the lower plate you are still screwed.
However, I personally found that this tactic worked really well.
Most only remember the obvious weakspots!
That is including facing IS3's!

It's damn good at reverse sidescraping as well!

Good luck!

Edited by Brodie_, 10 March 2018 - 09:20 PM.


_Davidge_ #12 Posted 10 March 2018 - 10:09 PM

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This tank works only as sniper.

 

Armor is is worthless in todays game.

Anyone pens it. An angling is contraindicated and forbidden because hull cheeks can be penetrated by bad look on them.

 

 So 200 mm flat plates in front serve only to make it haevy and slow. I would be more helpfull to have 100 mm instead 200 mm armor front and tank to  be 10 km/h faster.(which makes Tiger I)

 

I had solid games in it though by playing it like lt has no armor,means distance and caution.Even if top tier. However for that purpose its much  better Tiger I which has same but faster loading and slightly more precise gun, and is more agile.

 

Compared to Tiger I (H) P is worse by clear margin.


Edited by Wayward_Current, 11 March 2018 - 08:25 PM.


Balc0ra #13 Posted 10 March 2018 - 10:47 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 10 March 2018 - 08:22 PM, said:

It's gun handling needs improving and the cheeks need to be made 200 flat armour as well, the rest is fine.

 

Cobra 6

 

ROF is actually the worst thing about it IMO. Even if the armor works it would not win many 1 on 1's with that ROF vs anything. Even less so now when the armor don't work.

LCpl_Jones #14 Posted 10 March 2018 - 11:12 PM

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is it worse then a russian heavy ?

 

yes, therefore balanced no bias at all. none.



fighting_falcon93 #15 Posted 11 March 2018 - 03:29 AM

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I think both Tiger I and Tiger P should get some serius buffs. IMHO this is what they should do:

 

- Move them to tier 6.

- Give them additional armor on the front hull + front turret in the form of track links (spaced armor).

- Tiger P should be focused more around raw armor.

- Tiger I should be focused more aroud DPM.



Balc0ra #16 Posted 11 March 2018 - 04:31 AM

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View Postfighting_falcon93, on 11 March 2018 - 03:29 AM, said:

I think both Tiger I and Tiger P should get some serius buffs. IMHO this is what they should do:

 

- Move them to tier 6.

- Give them additional armor on the front hull + front turret in the form of track links (spaced armor).

- Tiger P should be focused more around raw armor.

- Tiger I should be focused more aroud DPM.

 

If the Tiger P was a tier 6. The armor would actually work tbh.  Issue for the Tiger, as shown on the tier 6 premium Tigers. It's is flat armor. You would need more then a minor armor buff on those to get that armor to work, as most tier 6 and 7 guns will still pen that with ease from most angles. As HT pen on those tiers is not low. Thus why it has DPM on tier 6 and 7. As it's support HT. The turret's got buffed on them not to long ago. So on a ridge line, even the premium works. But like the Lowe, open ground is not it's friend.

 

Tiger P and Tiger I was buffed around one having armor, and one having DPM.... a few metas ago.  As I'm sure you remember how the DPM was on the Tiger 1 before? Back when it had less HP even. Then it was really terrible. It's a support HT now. Buffing the armor to make it "effective" for it's tier would negate that anyway vs DPM. And it kinda works for that role still. Tiger P less so. It needs a minor ROF buff IMO. And the cheek hull armor buffed for starters. 



Ankara_Aatu #17 Posted 11 March 2018 - 05:29 AM

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Yes.

Ankara_Aatu #18 Posted 11 March 2018 - 05:30 AM

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Also, does the Pope crapin the forest... oh wait

 

 

edit: oh lawl, it changed "schite" to "crap". So that's less noughty?


Edited by Ankara_Aatu, 11 March 2018 - 05:31 AM.


LordMuffin #19 Posted 11 March 2018 - 09:40 AM

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Tiger H is great, a nd works as a T7 due to the gun being awesome.
At least it worked in old MM very well, haven't played it in new MM.

The Tiger P is just to bad at everything.
It is slow, with a bad gun, and more weakspots on the front then strong spots.
And it gets rekt in new MM.

In my mind, it can be slow, but then remove cheek weakspots (make them 200).
Keep lfp weakspot, and make turret front stronger but keep cupola weakspot.
And then improve aimtime by 0.5 sec.

brumbarr #20 Posted 11 March 2018 - 03:14 PM

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View PostLordMuffin, on 11 March 2018 - 09:40 AM, said:

Tiger H is great, a nd works as a T7 due to the gun being awesome.
At least it worked in old MM very well, haven't played it in new MM.

The Tiger P is just to bad at everything.
It is slow, with a bad gun, and more weakspots on the front then strong spots.
And it gets rekt in new MM.

In my mind, it can be slow, but then remove cheek weakspots (make them 200).
Keep lfp weakspot, and make turret front stronger but keep cupola weakspot.
And then improve aimtime by 0.5 sec.

 

such a bad tank :trollface:

 

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Highest DPG of any of my tier7s ;)

 

The trick is to play it with the stock gun and be generous with APCR, more dpm and better gun handling.

 






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