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ZliZecGG #1 Posted 12 March 2018 - 11:16 AM

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Hey all,

 

I have been wondering something. What is really a purpose for light tanks in the game? The difference between lights and meds doesnt really exist. Some meds are faster/mobile, better pen, better gun handling. So i think they need to make light tanks more competitive. Maybe add more pen or better camo.. What is your opinion?

 

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Solstad1069 #2 Posted 12 March 2018 - 11:18 AM

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Depends on what tier you talk about. Tanks like T71 and Luchs works perfectly fine.

ZliZecGG #3 Posted 12 March 2018 - 11:20 AM

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View PostSolstad1069, on 12 March 2018 - 11:18 AM, said:

Depends on what tier you talk about. Tanks like T71 and Luchs works perfectly fine.

 

I am talking about tear 10 only. I completely agree that lower tiers are good.

doriansky1 #4 Posted 12 March 2018 - 11:22 AM

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Depends on the tier. Light tanks at tiers 7,8,9 are super dangerous and preety competitive. The poor view range of MT and HT at tier 7-8 could be one of the reasons.

 

Tier X LT are a different story. According to vbaddict, Rheinmetall Panzerwagen has 45.9% average win rate (yes, forty-five), WZ-132A- 48% WR.

 

So there is a big difference between LT and MT: one class is useless and completely out of the meta.



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I hear many statements form people who do not know how to play light tanks may people state "Tier X lights are under powered"

 

My T100Lt disagrees 

 

I prefer light tanks to mediums purely because of the fun factor involved with driving them. Turning the map into a racing circuit really is immensely entertaining.They are immensely powerful, if played well.No other tank has the mobility and potential to rack up serious damage and kills. Mobility is their most potent weapon.

 

theirs nothing like getting into a car chase with another light tank and handbrake skidding through  city maps and large open ground, whilst hearing the thud as 10 players shells hit the ground around you, all firing and missing you. It makes you feel like the ultimate bad man.

 

I just wish i could overlay a Ferrari engine sound on My T100Lt it really fells like a sports car, it power slides drifts and can do a 180 degree turn at full speed.

 

One major bonus with light tanks is there Hp values are low so spotting and actual damage to equal your HP pool is pretty achievable and one can even occasionally make a profit!

 

Lights teach some valuable skills such as how to use mobility to harass, ambush and distract enemy teams, not to mention spotting dmg too.

 

I think a lot of players avoid light tanks due to the punishing gameplay and worries about stats. Therefore, dismissing them as weak and under powered.

 

I used to play  A LOT of first person shooter games and as such find light tanks suit me better than mediums as my stats always seem better in lights than meds,

 

Mediums are just so mediocre

 

 



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Proper mapdesign is what would give light tanks a purpose. But sadly, that's something that WG is still horribly bad at.

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View PostZliZecGG, on 12 March 2018 - 10:16 AM, said:

Hey all,

 

I have been wondering something. What is really a purpose for light tanks in the game? The difference between lights and meds doesnt really exist. Some meds are faster/mobile, better pen, better gun handling. So i think they need to make light tanks more competitive. Maybe add more pen or better camo.. What is your opinion?

 

Cheers!

 

High tier light tanks are basically for masochists since you are a gimped medium in pretty much every respect possible.

 

Mediums have pretty much the same viewrange, mobility (top speed) and superior guns while the only thing you have is camo, which, in World of Corridors is largely irrelevant certainly above tier 8.

T10 mediums on the current maps have no issue keeping up with light tanks in a race, heck some of the high tier heavies can prevent light tanks from running away.

 

You have camo so you can keep range better but your gun is not suitable to engage anything at range so it's a useless set of skills.Lights are a range based class just like TD's are and therefore their guns should be highly suitable to engage targets at range.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 12 March 2018 - 01:08 PM.


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View PostZliZecGG, on 12 March 2018 - 10:20 AM, said:

 

I am talking about tear 10 only. I completely agree that lower tiers are good.

 

All lights are faster than all meds. Top speed is not all. YOu will be faster to positions with a tank that accelerates faster, goes uphill faster and turns faster. 

 

But overall I agree t10 lights are bad.



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as light tanks i only play this days blackdog and 13-90

mediums i play lorr40t, skodat50

 

and when i have a bad day in wot i play my e25

 

as a wish i will only show wg my money for a 13 57 :D

 


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View Postdiscontinued, on 12 March 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

I hear many statements form people who do not know how to play light tanks may people state "Tier X lights are under powered"

 

My T100Lt disagrees 

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Mediums are just so mediocre

 

 

 

T100LT is probably the only competitive tier X tank (the key word here is "probably", not competitive :) ;). I doubt you are having fun on Ensk or Abbey, but at the end of the day if you like this tank then good for you.

 

Regarding the end of the post, i always struggled to describe Obj140 or Patton in one word. Now i know, they are mediocre :hiding:


Edited by doriansky1, 12 March 2018 - 01:12 PM.


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View PostZliZecGG, on 12 March 2018 - 11:16 AM, said:

Hey all,

 

I have been wondering something. What is really a purpose for light tanks in the game? The difference between lights and meds doesnt really exist. Some meds are faster/mobile, better pen, better gun handling. So i think they need to make light tanks more competitive. Maybe add more pen or better camo.. What is your opinion?

 

Cheers!

 

I would say better VR. Like 600m or higher. To make them able to spot all those bushcampers so I can hammer them in my HTs. In this way LT would really be scout and prevent camping, being the base of a succesful push.

Rati_Festa #12 Posted 12 March 2018 - 01:44 PM

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I was credit grinding the other day in my Type 62, E25 and T44- 100 and guess which one accelerates the fastest and felt the most mobile over all terrain. The T44, its then new best T8 Light :) 

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View Postdoriansky1, on 12 March 2018 - 10:22 AM, said:

Depends on the tier. Light tanks at tiers 7,8,9 are super dangerous and preety competitive. The poor view range of MT and HT at tier 7-8 could be one of the reasons.

 

Tier X LT are a different story. According to vbaddict, Rheinmetall Panzerwagen has 45.9% average win rate (yes, forty-five), WZ-132A- 48% WR.

 

So there is a big difference between LT and MT: one class is useless and completely out of the meta.

 

I agree, although I don't have a Tier X light yet...and am totally still undecided if I will get one based on all the bad press they get these days. It seems only smart to spot in the beginning, then stay back, stay alive, and maybe, if necessary at the end of the match, use your speed to wreck the few remaining enemies. Only advantage I can see is when there are a few low HP heavies left that you can kill without trading dmg.

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View PostRati_Festa, on 12 March 2018 - 01:44 PM, said:

I was credit grinding the other day in my Type 62, E25 and T44- 100 and guess which one accelerates the fastest and felt the most mobile over all terrain. The T44, its then new best T8 Light :) 

 

T-44-100 has better BOTH power/weight ratio and ground resistances than M41 90.

 

Because reasons.



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View Postmatherk, on 12 March 2018 - 01:53 PM, said:

 

I agree, although I don't have a Tier X light yet...and am totally still undecided if I will get one based on all the bad press they get these days. It seems only smart to spot in the beginning, then stay back, stay alive, and maybe, if necessary at the end of the match, use your speed to wreck the few remaining enemies. Only advantage I can see is when there are a few low HP heavies left that you can kill without trading dmg.

 

I have the T-100 and am on T9 and T8's on other LT tanks lines. IMO they aren't worth persevering with at the moment, the release of each patch has lessened there effectiveness incrementally and the recent new tanks like the obj 268 v4 and the 430U are just making it harder for them to shine.

 

The reason the WR's are so low is basically they are crap but its probably exasperated by decent players not touching them and only average players are using them perhaps trying to complete some of the campaigns. The T10 LT's are very useful for completing the spotting missions in Grand Battles especially but other than that they have very limited real "combat" use.


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I would be opposed to a better pen for lights. (It also fits badly with their short guns)

 

But a better camo rating and maybe better spot range would be appropriate buffs.



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View Postdoriansky1, on 12 March 2018 - 11:22 AM, said:

Light tanks at tiers 7,8,9 are super dangerous and preety competitive. The poor view range of MT and HT at tier 7-8 could be one of the reasons.

 

tier 7 and 9 lights are competitive because of MM, except crappy SPIC and WZ-131

tier 8 lights are not competitive, maybe Blackdog, T92 and EVEN as a scout. Rest are trash because they don't do anything better than mediums and are worse tier for tier than their predecessors and successors (t7 and 9)



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Tier 6-8 LT's are the ones I've played the most, I love the BC-12-T and the LTTB looks like it's going to be a blast. However I'm only meeting 3 tier 10's in the current MM so there's a good chance that I wont be outspotted by a load of stronk Mediums.  

 

T9 it's getting more difficult to abuse that camo and T10 will only be worse.  I'm with the others i.e. if the maps suited it and the LT's had a but more camo and VR then I dont care about the gun, leave it as it is. 

 

In lower tiers even in the corridors it's maybe not so bad as there's less 1 shot tanks to ruin your game. 

 

So speak'ith an average bob ( for what it's worth )


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Why do I always think that LT's should be recon or support vehicles?

 

Aside from that, my gut feeling tells me that with LT's you are going to need faster reflexes than with MT's. Can someone with more experience confirm this?



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Er, many lower tier lights are either crap or outpaced by mediums. The Covenanter is the same speed as the medium T-28 and even some tank destroyers and artillery can keep pace or outrun it in a straight line.

And some mediums are outpaced by heavies. Eg Crusader can only just barely stay in front of the KV1S and IS in a line, and virtually cannot escape them on a smaller map.




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