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Balc0ra #21 Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:19 AM

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View PostK_A, on 13 March 2018 - 11:59 PM, said:

 

Well, russian bias rigging goes the other way, you should know this by now:B

 

Well depends. Did you use the one where you yell each time you fire. Or do you have the Russian Mojo with you atm so you don't have to?



unhappy_bunny #22 Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:21 AM

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Does this mean that WG have stopped rigging MM in favout of RNG?

spamhamstar #23 Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:29 AM

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View PostThalean, on 13 March 2018 - 09:17 PM, said:

Hi guys,

 

OK, first of all, title must contain the word -probably- but I didn't add it to attract a little bit more attention.

And I know that our sample size is not enough for a scientific research, so skeptics please calm down.

 

But guys,

 

After playing this thing for more than 20K battles,I feel it in my heart, that they made a little sneaky adjustment.

And also because of my profession, I can understand why they needed it.

 

Here the math:

I'm in service sector, specifically in telecommunication "revenue management".

So we have these millions of subscribers and we always want more revenue (capitalism :sceptic:) but we are afraid of customer complains.

Our solution is always to make a little tiny price "revision" to an -under the radar- item, like package overuse fee or something like that which will effect everyone jussssst a little bit but the cumulative gain for company will matter.

 

Now WoT case:

We want to sell more premium time or tanks. 

What we need is make WoT economy less profitable for all.

But we are afraid of our community so we can't just increase shell costs or tank repair costs.

Hey, here the solution! Let's make them use more shells for less damage (a.k.a revenue)

But as we can't reduce alfa damage for all tanks, why not make a little adjustment to our damage RNG settings?

Like pushing RNG more often to that negative 25% than standard but also allow some positive %25 as well.

Maybe 5% in average. (do you accept 5% less alfa in your tank?)

 

Think about it.

It's very hard to detect because off all that kill shots that naturally hit less and because of occasional positive 25% shots.

Also it will take too much time to prove "scientifically".

 

(9 clear* shots, just 1 above 390, average 373.5 damage. -4,2% than 390) (*clear means you can get full potential of your alfa damage, not a kill shot etc)

 

(watched it for you: 8 clear shots, just 1 above 490, average 464.75 damage. -5.1% than 490)

 

Please share your own thoughts and "feelings" ;) about this issue, gg.

 

Confirmation bias, also called confirmatory bias or myside bias, is the tendency to search for, interpret, favor, and recall information in a way that confirms one's preexisting beliefs or hypotheses.



Shivva #24 Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:41 AM

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OP I've found your car....

 



Slyspy #25 Posted 14 March 2018 - 01:19 AM

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Every time I wear blue socks my damage rolls are 6% below average. 

Wrinkly #26 Posted 14 March 2018 - 02:20 AM

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I keep feeling the 155 needs a buff, seeing mostly shots in the 6 hundreds while claimed average is 750. Even hitting fully aimed shots can be a RNG nightmare.

Archaean #27 Posted 14 March 2018 - 06:51 AM

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View PostThalean, on 13 March 2018 - 10:17 PM, said:

Think about it.

I thought about it, got a mighty headache. My subconsciousness is telling me even now to get the flip out of here because there's just too much intelligence going on here. Too much for me to cope. 

 

Good riddance with your conspiracy theory.



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jabster #29 Posted 14 March 2018 - 08:19 AM

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View PostDracheimFlug, on 13 March 2018 - 11:05 PM, said:

 

Ok, now you are claiming that laws are never broken because there are laws..... You really do not see the flaws in your own logic? 

 

I think the more amusing part is that financial industry is incredibly heavily regulated and as we all know nothing shady ever happens there.

Noo_Noo #30 Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:18 AM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 13 March 2018 - 10:21 PM, said:

 

I played the skoprion g last night to prove a point.

 

12 penetrating hits where maximum damaage could have been achieved (490 x 1.25)

 

Avg damage 487.

 

Nope, not buying it.

 

 

That's 0.6% down on what it should be. 

We need to raise this with the fraud squad immediately. We're being done!!!  :izmena: :izmena: :izmena:

 

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Rage_Quit_Inc #31 Posted 14 March 2018 - 10:55 AM

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I see no point to WG doing this with the ridiculous RNG on aiming where you can be in a tank/TD with 3.0 accuracy and have 5 fully aimed shots in a row miss a broad sided heavy in the open, why skim damage when they can just blame all missed shots on "luck"


 

 

 

Never had an issue with average damage spread at all in fact I think maybe its one aspect im a little luckier than most in.


Edited by Rage_Quit_Inc, 14 March 2018 - 10:58 AM.


malachi6 #32 Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:01 AM

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Does the fact that qpranger likes this post not tell you something.  He probably is the ceo of Alcan.

 



Jigabachi #33 Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:06 AM

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The last guy wanted to prove rigging with 14 shots. Now you come with 9.
I'm sure you don't want to hear what I think...


NUKLEAR_SLUG #34 Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:20 AM

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View PostJigabachi, on 14 March 2018 - 11:06 AM, said:

The last guy wanted to prove rigging with 14 shots. Now you come with 9.
I'm sure you don't want to hear what I think...

 

Actually I think OP may have a valid point and WG have totally rigged his Skorpion to hit for below average rolls.

 

Unfortunately they've balanced it out by giving the skimmed damage percentage to every other Skorpion player as proven by the amount of times I seem to get hit with above average rolls.

 

Fact. Because I think so.



DracheimFlug #35 Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:22 AM

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View Postjabster, on 14 March 2018 - 08:19 AM, said:

 

I think the more amusing part is that financial industry is incredibly heavily regulated and as we all know nothing shady ever happens there.

 

He also does not seem to realize that retail sales are also highly regulated, and that therefore by his own logic, his theory that WG are engaging in some sort of bad business practice must be false..... 

Geno1isme #36 Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:30 AM

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View PostThalean, on 13 March 2018 - 11:17 PM, said:

Now WoT case:

We want to sell more premium time or tanks. 

What we need is make WoT economy less profitable for all.

But we are afraid of our community so we can't just increase shell costs or tank repair costs.

Hey, here the solution! Let's make them use more shells for less damage (a.k.a revenue)

So far all reasonable assumptions.

View PostThalean, on 13 March 2018 - 11:17 PM, said:

But as we can't reduce alfa damage for all tanks, why not make a little adjustment to our damage RNG settings?

Like pushing RNG more often to that negative 25% than standard but also allow some positive %25 as well.

Maybe 5% in average. (do you accept 5% less alfa in your tank?)

WG found much more effective ways to achieve their goal: Just keep buffing armor levels across the board. Increasing the number of shells that do no damage brings you much more than having all shells do a tiny amount less damage. Not only do people have to fire more shells, they're also more inclined to fire expensive shells. Plus it motivates players to grind and/or spend cash to get tanks with better armor.

 

Also your examples are statistically just completely irrelevant. Even test runs over a couple hundred shots are at best rough indicators. Cases with single-digit sample numbers are just pointless.


Edited by Geno1isme, 14 March 2018 - 11:34 AM.


Rage_Quit_Inc #37 Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:25 PM

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View PostGeno1isme, on 14 March 2018 - 10:30 AM, said:

So far all reasonable assumptions.

WG found much more effective ways to achieve their goal: Just keep buffing armor levels across the board. Increasing the number of shells that do no damage brings you much more than having all shells do a tiny amount less damage. Not only do people have to fire more shells, they're also more inclined to fire expensive shells. Plus it motivates players to grind and/or spend cash to get tanks with better armor.

 

Also your examples are statistically just completely irrelevant. Even test runs over a couple hundred shots are at best rough indicators. Cases with single-digit sample numbers are just pointless.

 

they can bolster this effect further by the dispersion making the grind hard making players spend more, the same as a bounced shell a missed shell brings them more, (lets ignore the fact that we they can of course make the bounced or absorbed shells doing sustained module damage making players use their consumables bring them even more and making that grind just that little bit harder.)

We can go on for ever but that's just it nothing can ever be proven.

In my opinion are they rigging it some way to make more money? Yes I think so based on the fact who they are and what they have done in the fast and patents filed etc

Can I prove it: no but hey we are all still here playing


Edited by Rage_Quit_Inc, 14 March 2018 - 12:25 PM.


jack_timber #38 Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:26 PM

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Damage is rigged... Here's an example from last night.

M53/55 one shot a full health Skorpion G, 1150hp, next shot T95 hit full on the front no damage!

Now could it be that one soft target and another that mobile thick steel block I couldn't pen?

Knew I should have just splashed the T95:)

So rigged I think not...



Rage_Quit_Inc #39 Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:33 PM

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View Postjack_timber, on 14 March 2018 - 11:26 AM, said:

Damage is rigged... Here's an example from last night.

M53/55 one shot a full health Skorpion G, 1150hp, next shot T95 hit full on the front no damage!

Now could it be that one soft target and another that mobile thick steel block I couldn't pen?

Knew I should have just splashed the T95:)

So rigged I think not...

 

your kidding right :trollface:

 

Damage isn't rigged but that's not saying the game isn't influenced anywhere else


Edited by Rage_Quit_Inc, 14 March 2018 - 12:33 PM.


Simeon85 #40 Posted 14 March 2018 - 12:46 PM

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Why is it with all these tin foil hat threads the OP's always come out with some sort of back story about their profession?, it adds nothing when their data is so weak. 




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