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Laiskamato #1 Posted 14 March 2018 - 07:55 PM

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Its getting ridiculous how often these tanks gets ammoracked from full HP.

T-44, T-44-100 and Mod1 all suffer from this extremely cheesy ammoracks.

I can't even count how many times i lost my head in the past 2 week alone playing these tanks.

Ammorack durability is way too low on this tanks and the chance to get one shotted should be reduced by a lot.

I don't mind that ammo rack get damaged but when i lose my head over and over again i start to wonder why i even play these absolutely useless tanks.



AliceUnchained #2 Posted 14 March 2018 - 08:27 PM

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That horribly weak ammo rack was the main reason I got rid of it years ago. I've recently re-bought it, and curiously enough have yet to even suffer a single ammo rack damage. Let alone detonation. I'm actually quite enjoying the T-44 now... (famous last words, must have jinxed it somehow).

FatigueGalaxy #3 Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:47 PM

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I guess you don't have Safe Stowage. T-44 series has 180 ammo rack health which means every ~128 mm gun can blow it up and there is a lot of them on tier 8+ vehicles.

Safe Stowage fixes this problem because it raises your ammo rack HP to ~202 which means "only" 152 mm guns can blow you up. But this is not a problem since taking a hit from those guns pretty much ends your battle anyway and you should avoid it at all costs.

 

Get Safe Stowage ASAP, until then use Wet Ammo Rack, even at cost of sacrificing vents or optics.

And no, T-44 is probably one of the best tier 8 meds and basically has no downsides (it's pretty much good at everything since latest buffs). Module damage and weak ammo rack is one of the few weaknesses of this tank - which can be negated by a skilled crew anyway. No need for a buff.



Igor_BL #4 Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:50 PM

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The only downside of the T44100 is weak ammo rack.
And i mean only... Lowish pen is not the problem at all, IMO. But ammorack hp is awful.

Cmdr_Psycho #5 Posted 14 March 2018 - 10:01 PM

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Oh yes... as the t44 series needs more buffs....


I really don't get it. I loved the t44 for years and it never had "serious" problems that needed fixing. Not like the TVP VTU for instance. Or the STB-1. Slightly changing it would have been ok  -like reload, penetration, gunhandlin, armor OR mobility....


What did WG do?
Penetration to 190
Mobility +240hp
Armor buff (turret and frontal plate)

Gun handling changes to the softstats


Was all of that required? no. Is it so bad that the T44 series has problems with ammorack now? Nope. That's just like "change nearly all germans because too many BURN from frontal penetrations even from 2 tier lower tanks often enough" ... won't be changed. And it's O.K. somehow. Should something be changed on the T44 series? Yes. Revert some of the buffs. The ammorack? is fine. Train your gunner with safe stowage. Done. (Yes, that actually helps a lot. and is enough)



shane73tank #6 Posted 14 March 2018 - 10:05 PM

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Year ago I read and remembered ruski mediums hide the right side of your turret as “there be ammo”

Balc0ra #7 Posted 14 March 2018 - 10:09 PM

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It's Russian. They stack their ammo all of the side of the turret and hull. Like the IS-3, it's best not to take flank hits.

Igor_BL #8 Posted 14 March 2018 - 10:21 PM

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yep, but t44's get ammoracked thru UFP and front wheel.

 

i dont say it needs buff. it is annoying. but is the only downside of probably best tier8 meds, together  with Lorr40t.



MeNoobTank #9 Posted 14 March 2018 - 10:26 PM

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I guess is a balancing factor since these tanks are really good at kind of everything.

WindSplitter1 #10 Posted 15 March 2018 - 12:28 AM

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I love those tanks.

Always give my Skorpion G a "High Caliber" medal. :D



Ceeb #11 Posted 15 March 2018 - 08:19 AM

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I don't have a problem with it as I transferred my 6+ skill Obj 140 crew into the T-44 for grinding the 430. This crew bounces to the T-44-100, 54 Prot, and the Rudy

 

T-44 has become on my favourite tanks in the game.  During the grind for the 430 must have been FULL ammo racked at least once.. No more than any other tank

 

And if you're moaning about the T-44, how about the Centurions,  Leo 1 (the only tank I carry a Large and small repair kit0



Simeon85 #12 Posted 15 March 2018 - 12:59 PM

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As said above, safe stowage perk. Dramatically reduces the chances of full ammo rack blow ups. 

tankqull #13 Posted 15 March 2018 - 01:02 PM

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View PostSimeon85, on 15 March 2018 - 11:59 AM, said:

As said above, safe stowage perk. Dramatically reduces the chances of full ammo rack blow ups. 

 

and repairing it after having it dmged.

hasnainrakha57 #14 Posted 15 March 2018 - 01:08 PM

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U mean op tier 8 medium tank!

vasilinhorulezz #15 Posted 15 March 2018 - 01:30 PM

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Russian logic was to make tanks as compact as they could be,

so they suffered from lack of internal space, also why do you think every nation stopped angling the sides of the tanks armor?

The effect was that internal space was more limited and as a result they stored ammo wherever they could,

that's why IS series and a lot of other Russian tanks have frontal ammoracks.



AliceUnchained #16 Posted 15 March 2018 - 07:14 PM

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View PostSimeon85, on 15 March 2018 - 12:59 PM, said:

As said above, safe stowage perk. Dramatically reduces the chances of full ammo rack blow ups. 

 

Not with he old T-44 though. I had Safe Stowage, still suffered a ton of ammo rack issues and actually equipped it with Wet Ammo Rack. Then the very first game after, so with Safe Stowage AND WAR, El Haluf (old style) going down the center I get hit by a 7.5 cm caliber from either AMX 12t or 13 75 (don't recall which, but was 7.5 cm) and.... ammo rack damage... I believe I sold the T-44 right, or at least very soon, after.

Strizi #17 Posted 15 March 2018 - 07:30 PM

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T-44 and Friends are completely overbuffed now and there are still people complaining about something? Seriously WTF is wrong with you man.

Thuis001 #18 Posted 15 March 2018 - 07:38 PM

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Lol, try the Cents. The T-44 atleast has some frontal armor. The Cent 1 gets ammoracked all the time, and is a lot worse. (exept on pen, that is quite decent)



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View PostAliceUnchained, on 15 March 2018 - 07:14 PM, said:

 

Not with he old T-44 though. I had Safe Stowage, still suffered a ton of ammo rack issues and actually equipped it with Wet Ammo Rack. Then the very first game after, so with Safe Stowage AND WAR, El Haluf (old style) going down the center I get hit by a 7.5 cm caliber from either AMX 12t or 13 75 (don't recall which, but was 7.5 cm) and.... ammo rack damage... I believe I sold the T-44 right, or at least very soon, after.

 

It happened because you've been hit in ammo rack more than once.

AMX 13 75 does 100 module damage. T-44 with WAR and Safe Stowage has 292.5 ammo rack HP. Something hit you in ammo rack before 13 75 but didn't deplete ammo rack HP below 50%. Modules regenerate HP only below 50% HP (up to 50%) so next hit in ammo rack (from 13 75) damaged it.

 

Also, this is irrelevant because now we have re-usable repair kits so yellow ammo rack damage is not a big deal - as long as they can't blow you up in one hit.

View PostThuis001, on 15 March 2018 - 07:38 PM, said:

Lol, try the Cents. The T-44 atleast has some frontal armor. The Cent 1 gets ammoracked all the time, and is a lot worse. (exept on pen, that is quite decent)

 

Actually, Centurion has 220 ammo rack HP which is 40 more than T-44. It's a huge difference because only 3 tanks in the game can detonate it in one hit... And taking a hit from those tanks is game over for you anyway. The problem with Centurion is the module placement (LFP) which can be compensated by doing one thing this tank is good at - playing hulldown...

Also, having under 200 ammo rack HP means that every 75 mm gun need only one hit to damage it. Kinda a big deal too.

 

T-44 on the other hand - every ~128 mm gun can blow it up (which is what you meet in every battle) and they can do it from any direction by simply hitting the turret. So IMO, Centurion has it easier. 



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View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 15 March 2018 - 08:08 PM, said:

It happened because you've been hit in ammo rack more than once.

AMX 13 75 does 100 module damage. T-44 with WAR and Safe Stowage has 292.5 ammo rack HP. Something hit you in ammo rack before 13 75 but didn't deplete ammo rack HP below 50%. Modules regenerate HP only below 50% HP (up to 50%) so next hit in ammo rack (from 13 75) damaged it.

 

Sigh.... please just go away... This was right at the START of the game, on first hit. Please, shoo.






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