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_Lupin #1 Posted 15 March 2018 - 02:59 PM

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HI all.

It's few days that I play with Obj705.

In my last battle I was in sidescraping position and got two shots from an OBJ 140 in the rear wheel of the tracks.

From my understanding both shot should have been absorbed but instead were both penetrations with damage (second one was the kill hit).

 

I attached screens from the "Hit Log" in-game mod from which you can see the exact point of the hit as well as the direction.

I also attached the screen from tanks.gg armour model were you can see the "0% chance" penetration and the battle replay FYI.

 

CAN ANYONE EXPLAIN ME HOW THOSE SHOTS PENETRATED TEH SIDE OF THE TANK ?

 

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K_A #2 Posted 15 March 2018 - 03:08 PM

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Well, first off, the tanks.gg screenshot isn't from the same angle as the shots received which makes it pretty much useless. Second, there is a small gap in the side of the 705 that can be penned by a 140 given the right angle.

 

 

Basically, you overangled and he knew to shoot through the gap in your tracks and got lucky with accuracy.



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RNG working as intended

pecopad #4 Posted 15 March 2018 - 03:13 PM

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I also installed Batle hits, and have seen some very weird shots like this ..

 

Usually this comes to my attention not because the other tanks took several shots and had a lucky pen, the problem is that you position your tank in a strong way to maximize your amour, and the other tanks is still able to pen you in the most weird spots, in weakspots you didn't even knew the tank had.

 

I usually see this has a problem in the HD models that creates weakspots, and the use of aimbots that exploit the model problems... 



malachi6 #5 Posted 15 March 2018 - 03:16 PM

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Look the replay is a  zip.  Let's all open that rather than use WoT replays.

 

upload here guy,  almost certainly over angled. 

 

http://wotreplays.eu/



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View Postpecopad, on 15 March 2018 - 02:13 PM, said:

I also installed Batle hits, and have seen some very weird shots like this ..

 

Usually this comes to my attention not because the other tanks took several shots and had a lucky pen, the problem is that you position your tank in a strong way to maximize your amour, and the other tanks is still able to pen you in the most weird spots, in weakspots you didn't even knew the tank had.

 

I usually see this has a problem in the HD models that creates weakspots, and the use of aimbots that exploit the model problems... 

 

I really don't want to sound rude, but no wonder you're not getting any better in the game.



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View Postmalachi6, on 15 March 2018 - 03:16 PM, said:

Look the replay is a  zip.  Let's all open that rather than use WoT replays.

 

upload here guy,  almost certainly over angled. 

 

http://wotreplays.eu/

 

From the pics, he is not over-angling, and the second shot was clear on the wheel.

 



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View PostK_A, on 15 March 2018 - 03:20 PM, said:

 

I really don't want to sound rude, but no wonder you're not getting any better in the game.

 

You are the one who looks at a model who clearly says its impossible to pen, and then conclude the OP was overangled....

 

There are aimbots in this game that exploit weakspots, and one of the ways you can tell is when something fishy happens and you then go to verify it. Usually I see batlehits and check the number of pens the tank had in the game, most of the times it verifies what you see in batlehits.

 

Not saying is prevalent, but it happens from time to time.


Edited by pecopad, 15 March 2018 - 03:33 PM.


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View PostK_A, on 15 March 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

Well, first off, the tanks.gg screenshot isn't from the same angle as the shots received which makes it pretty much useless. Second, there is a small gap in the side of the 705 that can be penned by a 140 given the right angle.

 

 

Basically, you overangled and he knew to shoot through the gap in your tracks and got lucky with accuracy.

 

I don't think the screen I made from tanks.gg is not at the same angle I was when hit.

And anyway, if you angle more in tanks.gg the result doesn't change: NO CHANCE OF PENETRATION !

 

Take the three tracks pieces hung on the sides as a reference to get the correct point where the shot hit. From that point on towards the end of the tank chassis there's no chance to penetrate whatever the angle is !!!

 

Besides, as another mate states, the second shot is clearly on the wheel !!!!

 

Any other ideas ????



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Over angled, if you even look at those screenshots OP is not 90* degrees to the point of shot being taken so over angle at its best.
K_A-s point of view is from the point of shot being taken.

Edited by Lohend, 15 March 2018 - 04:06 PM.


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View Postpecopad, on 15 March 2018 - 03:13 PM, said:

I also installed Batle hits, and have seen some very weird shots like this ..

 

View Post_Lupin, on 15 March 2018 - 03:48 PM, said:

 

I don't think the screen I made from tanks.gg is not at the same angle I was when hit.

 

Keep in mind when using that mod, that he uses info your client told him. Not what the server said did really happen. The exact position of impact, or even angle might not be 100% vs what the server said. As we have seen before.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 15 March 2018 - 03:56 PM, said:

 

 

Keep in mind when using that mod, that he uses info your client told him. Not what the server said did really happen. The exact position of impact, or even angle might not be 100% vs what the server said. As we have seen before.

 

WOW !!!

Are you really saying that the info on position of impact and angle is not the same between server and client !!!!

I don't want to believe in that !!!

What can assure me that WG is not cheating against me if they're not the same.

 

Nah.... to many battles and time spent on this game to even let that possible. :amazed:



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View PostBalc0ra, on 15 March 2018 - 04:56 PM, said:

 

 

Keep in mind when using that mod, that he uses info your client told him. Not what the server said did really happen. The exact position of impact, or even angle might not be 100% vs what the server said. As we have seen before.

 

I think the mod uses the info on the server side, not sure but there are cases of severe desync where the point of impact on batlehits  was of the server and not the one I saw in my client.

 

I know this because of the Ghost Shells and other weird shots.

 

The only explanation I have is a bug on the HD model of the tank. Its not that unusual to find weakspots that should not be there... at least to me it happens with some frequency, but always like under 1% of the shots, so not a big deal IMHO.

 


Edited by pecopad, 15 March 2018 - 05:31 PM.


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View Postpecopad, on 15 March 2018 - 02:13 PM, said:

and the use of aimbots that exploit the model problems... 

 

You almost had a good post there but you had to go full tinfoil on us.

 

View Postpecopad, on 15 March 2018 - 04:23 PM, said:

 

I think the mod uses the info on the server side, 

 

You might want to stop thinking, it's not something you seem suited to.



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View Post_Lupin, on 15 March 2018 - 03:48 PM, said:

 

I don't think the screen I made from tanks.gg is not at the same angle I was when hit.

And anyway, if you angle more in tanks.gg the result doesn't change: NO CHANCE OF PENETRATION !

 

Take the three tracks pieces hung on the sides as a reference to get the correct point where the shot hit. From that point on towards the end of the tank chassis there's no chance to penetrate whatever the angle is !!!

 

Besides, as another mate states, the second shot is clearly on the wheel !!!!

 

Any other ideas ????

 

I found the 3D models of tanks.gg to be sometimes inaccurate.

 

That being said, I too got hit on very small weakspots by the same tank several times in a row, so I share the fears about aimbots aiming at weakspots.


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 15 March 2018 - 05:44 PM.


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View PostHomer_J, on 15 March 2018 - 05:37 PM, said:

 

You almost had a good post there but you had to go full tinfoil on us.

 

You might want to stop thinking, it's not something you seem suited to.

 

I find it amazing that with the evidence of the use of aimbots in WOT, there are still so many who categorically deny their existence..

 

Yes, there are aimbots on WOT, and the systematic exploitation of impossible to know weak spots is something that cannot be done by a normal player. The pics that were posted clearly show that, no player can have the luck to hit 100& of his shots in bugged HD models.

 

Everyone can have a lucky shot once in a while, but 2 its almost impossible, and for sure not probable. Like I've stated I usually try to confirm the % pen of the player before passing judgment, but most of the times they have impossibly high %.

 

Also usually the behaviour of the player is a good indicator ...

 

But again, I don't find this cases so prevalent has to break the game, they are just annoying



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Well, some people might not even know they can pen some stuff because the armor is like +1º overangled but they take the shot anyways just to get thins sure. Most of the times a magic penetration happens. In that case, you were slightly overangling and we don't know what was going on the 140's player mind. Might took the shot because he knew you were overangling or might just took the shot like a reflex and it penned.

 

RNG also happens in most of the times.



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View Post_Lupin, on 15 March 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

 

I don't think the screen I made from tanks.gg is not at the same angle I was when hit.

 

LOL

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View Postpecopad, on 15 March 2018 - 04:26 PM, said:

 

From the pics, he is not over-angling, and the second shot was clear on the wheel.

 

 

Yes, he is.

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View Postpecopad, on 15 March 2018 - 04:45 PM, said:

 

I find it amazing that with the evidence of the use of aimbots in WOT, there are still so many who categorically deny their existence..

 

And yet again I would like you to point to one, just one, person denying that aimbots exist.

 

You ignored me the last five times I asked you, maybe this time I will get lucky.







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