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Did Any Light Tanks Survive The Infamous Patch?


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TungstenHitman #1 Posted 16 March 2018 - 12:35 PM

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Hi guys, 

 

I'm sure many of you remember how fun mid tier light tanks used to be before some WG dev decided to line them all up and murder them, a dark day indeed and one I still reflect on with pitiful consideration. I used to LOVE my mid tier lights vs the +3 tier battles. Chaffee, ELCbis and the Bulldog to name but a few, all put to the sword and immediately sold. Anyway what's done is done but now that enough time has passed and perhaps some of you have revisited these tanks, what light tanks do you guys think were the biggest winners, the biggest losers, light tanks that actually survived that patch unscathed and tanks that perhaps we were all a bit too quick to condemn and sell so soon?



IncandescentGerbil #2 Posted 16 March 2018 - 12:41 PM

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The t-71 autoloader is well worth getting if you don't have it. Probably OP too. 

Cobra6 #3 Posted 16 March 2018 - 12:49 PM

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T71.

LTTB.

Bc12t (weird but I enjoy this one a lot despite having terrible WR).

WZ-131 is more mobile now but had a slash in DPM, still I like it.

13-90 is better than it was.

Premium Lights.

 

All other lights had their unique features stripped (VK2801, SP1C, 59-16) to make them bland boring single shot pew-pew lights that we already have more than a million of.

 

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vasilinhorulezz #4 Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:00 PM

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Good

- Amx 13 90 seems pretty good,

- Type 64 is blatantly OP 

- T 49 with the 90mm is pretty good

- T 71 seems pretty strong

- Type 62 went from mediocre to actually good

- Amx 13 57 is probably pretty strong now, if not OP

 

Bad

- VK 28.01 is probably the one hit the most, because it lost it's uniqueness (removal of the derp)

- people seem to complain a lot about the amx elc

- Bulldog, the removal of the autoloader and the not so good 76mm it gets now seems kinda underwhelming



Balc0ra #5 Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:01 PM

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T71 DA went from "meh" to top dog after that patch. As they more or less left it as is. 13 90 lost 2 rounds in it's clip. But became more versatile and much more enjoyable due to it.  T49 got a 90mm gun with more DPM then the 152 derp. So it's great for any 1 on 1 vs more or less anything now vs before. So a few got played more then pre patch as they became way more fun.

 

As for the tanks you sold? Bulldog is not the grat bully tank it once was. But now it's the only tier 8 normal light I have. It's still a great active and passive scout for missions. And the 2400 dpm is not terrible if needed, as it's still the 2nd best of the tier 8 lights. It's a fine bully light now, not a great one. ELC lost some mobility, pen and 95 dpm iirc. So on most aspects. It's still the same nasty tank as before. As it was made for tier X matches with the old setup, so for it to only lose half a round a min as top tier, not the worst outcome. As it's still got more pen them a tier 5 medium. And still a capable tank IMO.. or TD. Even tho some ppl still argue that it needs the old pen back even. Basically tier 7 HT pen on a tier 5 light. Why? Idk, mine still works.

 

Chaffee tho has been smacked two times. The current gun is more or less the old stock gun, when it faced tier X. So less capable then before... But it's still fun and a great bully tank IMO. And still in my garage. Mostly because there is one parked about 10 min away from me. So I see it more or less daily.

 

I sold the MT-25 as it became boring after the patch. And the SP1C, as that became boring and useless after the patch. It's not even a good passive scout anymore.

 


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PauI #6 Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:07 PM

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blackdog is by far my preferred light, 13-90 is also very nice

Simeon85 #7 Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:15 PM

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Most lights are actually better and more competitive than they were previously, some tanks literally went from zero to hero, like the 13-190 for example which was complete turd previously and now is probably the best tier 9 light. 

 

Very few lights really got nerfed, they got tuned for regular MM at their tiers, which people then seem to claim is a nerf, but getting a few buffs and few nerfs, but then dropping a whole tier in the MM is a very clear buff.

 

It should also be noted that almost every regular light tank got a large hp/ton buff, some going from like 20 - 24 hp/ton to like 30-35 hp/ton and gun handling buff, whilst all the lower tier lights that previously could not mount v-stabs can now mount them pretty much. 

 

The main issue with the light tank changes is the bad accuracy they gave to almost all the lights that makes no sense, plus a few of the lost autoloaders which I thought was unnecessary. 

 

People whine about the ELC a lot, but again struggle to see that for a tier 5 light it is very good and now only sees max tier 7, whereas the old ELC was balanced originally to see up to tier 9.

 

I also think reversing the decision to take away the derp from the T49 was a mistake, that tank is broken and the gun should be gone, it's a complete noob RNG wagon. 



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13-75 is also very decent if you can get the 'feel' of it's short clip.

59-16 is rather good too, I'd go as far as saying it's better that Type 64 in some situations. 



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Type 62, 13 90, Wz132, 13 105. All fantastic 

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The ltg is very good also the T100lt is about the only decent teir 10

arthurwellsley #11 Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:44 PM

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Light tanks that are worth the fun;

AMX 13 57 GF

Type 64

Type 62

hmm might be a pattern forming .....



Search_Warrant #12 Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:55 PM

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Dident you hear? they fixed LT's now. now we can play gimped mediums with worse guns, 0 armor and less hitpoints WITHOUT +3 MM! doesent that make you feel like PLAYING THEM AGAIN? :trollface:

 

No WG...no i dont. give me back my VK Derp you *****.



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Kinda still like the tier 7 and 9 lights. Hardly play the other tiers anymore or even have sold them since they were ruined.

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T71 DA got buffed, and it was already decent. Premium LTs also got buffed.

 

Other ones which kinda benefitted/didnt get hurt too much:

 

- French LTs tier 6-9

- Luchs, Leopard (former actually got buffed even though it was already broken lol)

- T49, top speed nerf but HP buff + view range buff + slight gun handling buff



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View PostSimeon85, on 16 March 2018 - 01:15 PM, said:

I also think reversing the decision to take away the derp from the T49 was a mistake, that tank is broken and the gun should be gone, it's a complete noob RNG wagon.

 

I don't think so. It's the special point going for the tank.

I'm grinding this useless line just to get this shiny, fast derp!



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View PostSimeon85, on 16 March 2018 - 12:15 PM, said:

People whine about the ELC a lot, but again struggle to see that for a tier 5 light it is very good and now only sees max tier 7, whereas the old ELC was balanced originally to see up to tier 9.

 

I also think reversing the decision to take away the derp from the T49 was a mistake, that tank is broken and the gun should be gone, it's a complete noob RNG wagon. 

 

Well they should not have hammered the mobility into the ground, a big part of the ELC tactic was driving fast up to an enemy heavy, shotgunning him in the face and then quickly drive off again. I mean this is the most ballsy and risky play you can do which should be rewarded. 

Now you can no longer do this as your power to weight is so atrocious you slow down massively as soon as you try to go up any form of incline.

 

As for the T49, it's a great stress relief vehicle for none-competitive play as the gun trolls you just as much as the enemy, it's fine. Most tanks it meet take a maximum off 300 damage anyway per shot for a 20s reload which gives you an effective DPM of about 1000. If you die in a light tank with more than 1000 health to a T49, you suck.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 16 March 2018 - 03:19 PM.


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View PostCobra6, on 16 March 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:

 

Well they should not have hammered the mobility into the ground, a big part of the ELC tactic was driving fast up to an enemy heavy, shotgunning him in the face and then quickly drive off again. I mean this is the most ballsy and risky play you can do which should be rewarded. 

Now you can no longer do this as your power to weight is so atrocious you slow down massively as soon as you try to go up any form of incline.

 

As for the T49, it's a great stress relief vehicle for none-competitive play as the gun trolls you just as much as the enemy, it's fine. Most tanks it meet take a maximum off 300 damage anyway per shot for a 20s reload which gives you an effective DPM of about 1000. If you die in a light tank with more than 1000 health to a T49, you suck.

 

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ELC has 26 hp/ton.

 

1 minute into this video highlights exactly why the T49 is broken -

 

 

And a light tank being able to 300-400 damage to heavily armoured parts of a tank without needing to pen is just as stupid as the Japanese heavies.

 

It's artillery on a light tank platform and is stupidly broken. 



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View PostSimeon85, on 16 March 2018 - 03:25 PM, said:

 

ELC has 26 hp/ton.

 

 

Yes, and a limit to 60 km/h which is not nearly enough to do what it used to do.

It's just a completely different tank nowadays.



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T100Lt is basicaly the god of light tanks , insane speed and camo + best gun handling in the game ( but accuracy is a meme )

13 105 is also pretty good , that clip is very quick to reload and can be a big suprise to many other tank , and the gun handling isn't bad at all , only issue i have with it is the turning speed 

as for the other T10 light they are pretty bad , and the RHM is just a failed T8 :P¨

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View PostSimeon85, on 16 March 2018 - 02:25 PM, said:

 

ELC has 26 hp/ton.

 

1 minute into this video highlights exactly why the T49 is broken -

 

 

And a light tank being able to 300-400 damage to heavily armoured parts of a tank without needing to pen is just as stupid as the Japanese heavies.

 

It's artillery on a light tank platform and is stupidly broken. 

 

What, you mean the part where the T49 risks suicideing his tank, shoots premium HE at a paper tank and is lucky enough it didn't hit the ground next to Orzanel's tank, yeah that is broken indeed but not in the way you think it is.

 

It's sort of artillery indeed that needs to put itself at risk if it wants to actually shoot anything, it needs to aim as long as artillery does, it dies as fast as artillery does and it does 300-400 damage to super heavies if you are very lucky (mostly 200) for a reload of 25 seconds.

 

Yes the T49 sometimes hits for 900 on paper targets which is true but unlike the old arty it needs to take all the risks in the world to do so, heck I hated the old artillery myself for their one shots yet strangely I have no problem with a T49 shooting me in the face for 900 in my tanks. You know why? Because I drive a T49 myself and I know the risks and RNG he had to face to be rewarded with that shot *AND* I was stupid enough to put myself into a position to get shot in the face in the first place.

 

As for the ELC, it used to have 36.98hp/t which is a *MASSIVE* difference from the meagre 26hp/t it has now.

 

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