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macenkrace #1 Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:09 PM

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Besides cheating or being a developer in disguise i have no explanation for this. The armor on that thing is 208 at most.

This is my problem I had the Skorpion G.

My first 247 pen didn't pen, but amor was 200 tops on the gun. It was not a bounce so figured I was unlucky.
I loaded a APCR with 311 pen. Range was under 50m. I placed my shot on the cupola. Did not penetrate their armor.

What are you thoughts here? Either that was a freaking cheat, cause no there is no way both my shell couldn't pen his armor or wargaming altered the stats on the gun or well the magical mistical developer entered the game and gave himself god mode. 

 

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Captain_Kremen0 #2 Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:26 PM

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I think....you bought a tank for the boom and don't like the fact that occasionally it doesn't boom boom.

Next.



vasilinhorulezz #3 Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:30 PM

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Probably auto bounce zone hit.

Nazgarth #4 Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:30 PM

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Its called Karma... playing OP p2w premium, vs a tank 2 tiers lower.

Balc0ra #5 Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:39 PM

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View Postmacenkrace, on 16 March 2018 - 01:09 PM, said:

Besides cheating or being a developer in disguise i have no explanation for this. The armor on that thing is 208 at most.

This is my problem I had the Skorpion G.

My first 247 pen didn't pen, but amor was 200 tops on the gun. It was not a bounce so figured I was unlucky.
I loaded a APCR with 311 pen. Range was under 50m. I placed my shot on the cupola. Did not penetrate their armor.

What are you thoughts here? Either that was a freaking cheat, cause no there is no way both my shell couldn't pen his armor or wargaming altered the stats on the gun or well the magical mistical developer entered the game and gave himself god mode. 

 

Replay attached, last 30 seconds.

 

 

Cheat? No cheat can make their armor better. So if you think that's possible. Why are you even playing?

 

The gun on the AT-8 don't have 200 tops armor. It's spaced for starters. And can go way above 247mm on some areas around the small mantle. And if it's next to the mantle on the 203mm surface. Well 25% of 247 pen is 185.. So you can go below 200 pen on a low roll. As it's called average pen for a reason. Not flat solid pen.

 

Gold ammo can go down to 233mm on a low roll. And you said you hit it's cupola.. that's 152mm at the center. But gets thicker and more effective the more to the side you go. And the two other view ports are not as weak either unless you hit flat on.

 

So check your score board for module hits. Something tells me you did a zero damage crit hit on your gold round vs the view port.


Edited by Balc0ra, 16 March 2018 - 01:40 PM.


macenkrace #6 Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:43 PM

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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 16 March 2018 - 12:30 PM, said:

Probably auto bounce zone hit.

 

First shot is not an auto bounce area. If you listed you will hear we didn't penetrate their armor, which was blocked. Second as well not an auto bounce.

 

View PostNazgarth, on 16 March 2018 - 12:30 PM, said:

Its called Karma... playing OP p2w premium, vs a tank 2 tiers lower.

 

it's not a paid to win it's a credit grinder and an incredibly bad one with a low shell velocity, but then again I wouldn't expect you to actually look at that reply and just try guessing

 

View PostBalc0ra, on 16 March 2018 - 12:39 PM, said:

 

 

Cheat? No cheat can make their armor better. So if you think that's possible. Why are you even playing?

 

The gun on the AT-8 don't have 200 tops armor. It's spaced for starters. And can go way above 247mm on some areas around the small mantle. And if it's next to the mantle on the 203mm surface. Well 25% of 247 pen is 185.. So you can go below 200 pen on a low roll. As it's called average pen for a reason. Not flat solid pen.

 

Gold ammo can go down to 233mm on a low roll. And you said you hit it's cupola.. that's 152mm at the center. But gets thicker and more effective the more to the side you go. And the two other view ports are not as weak either unless you hit flat on.

 

So check your score board for module hits. Something tells me you did a zero damage crit hit on your gold round vs the view port.

 

​So two incredible low rolls in a row. I thought the RNG was +/-15%? WTF this is incredibly trolling.

Also second shot heavily doubts the accuracy of German guns, fully aimed on the cupola, shots the side...

Edited by macenkrace, 16 March 2018 - 01:50 PM.


vasilinhorulezz #7 Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:45 PM

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View Postmacenkrace, on 16 March 2018 - 01:43 PM, said:

 

First shot is not an auto bounce area. If you listed you will hear we didn't penetrate their armor, which was blocked. Second as well not an auto bounce.

What the commander says is not always accurate,

didn't penetrate their armor, might mean that shell didn't go through or it bounced.



Rati_Festa #8 Posted 16 March 2018 - 01:48 PM

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View Postmacenkrace, on 16 March 2018 - 01:43 PM, said:

 

First shot is not an auto bounce area. If you listed you will hear we didn't penetrate their armor, which was blocked. Second as well not an auto bounce.

 

 

it's not a paid to win it's a credit grinder and an incredibly bad one with a low shell velocity, but then again I wouldn't expect you to actually look at that reply and just try guessing

 

Its not incredibly bad ( which makes me think your clueless and therefore your evidence is suspect ) and you're not going to get much sympathy complaining about your inability to aim properly with your gold shell against a tank 2 tiers lower.

Edited by Rati_Festa, 16 March 2018 - 01:48 PM.


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View Postmacenkrace, on 16 March 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

Replay attached, last 30 seconds.

 

I'm not seeing any replay, video or screenshot here ...

macenkrace #10 Posted 16 March 2018 - 02:09 PM

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View Postvasilinhorulezz, on 16 March 2018 - 12:45 PM, said:

What the commander says is not always accurate,

didn't penetrate their armor, might mean that shell didn't go through or it bounced.

First shot was meh, but it was on flat surface, not a bounce. But yeah it solves the mystery of shot 1. 25% is enough to screw you royal. 

 

The second is suspicious but then again WG does like to play around and troll with people because a 0.31 accuracy with a small bloom of probably .25+0.25 would give a 0.81 on 100 meters... below 50 meters this gives less 0.41 cause half distance, (which is not true was it was even less) so the odds of hitting that part was low, combined with the low roll of the 311 whic would give a 233 pen at most leaves only one thing for me to guess. How unlucky can one possibly get?

 

View PostRati_Festa, on 16 March 2018 - 12:48 PM, said:

 

Its not incredibly bad ( which makes me think your clueless and therefore your evidence is suspect ) and you're not going to get much sympathy complaining about your inability to aim properly with your gold shell against a tank 2 tiers lower.

 

Well, as a senior member, I would expect you to have more understanding and to explain what exactly happened instead of just pointing fingers to skill like a noob, when you could have just watched the last 30 seconds of the video and give an opinion, but then again you probably don't have either the knowledge or experience to explain what happened.

 

View PostGeno1isme, on 16 March 2018 - 12:53 PM, said:

 

I'm not seeing any replay, video or screenshot here ...

 

​sry about that but WG forums have an issue with uploading replays so i put a rar archive. hope it helps, but I think the mistery was cleared by RNGjessus which completely trolled me twice in a row.

Edited by macenkrace, 16 March 2018 - 02:12 PM.


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View Postmacenkrace, on 16 March 2018 - 01:43 PM, said:

 

First shot is not an auto bounce area. If you listed you will hear we didn't penetrate their armor, which was blocked. Second as well not an auto bounce.

 

 

it's not a paid to win it's a credit grinder and an incredibly bad one with a low shell velocity, but then again I wouldn't expect you to actually look at that reply and just try guessing

 

 

​So two incredible low rolls in a row. I thought the RNG was +/-15%? WTF this is incredibly trolling.

Also second shot heavily doubts the accuracy of German guns, fully aimed on the cupola, shots the side...

 

Lol. scorpion G a bad tank, lmao, clear ltp issue.

 

Also this is not how you share replays, think im stupid enough to just download a random file from the internet?



macenkrace #12 Posted 16 March 2018 - 02:59 PM

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View PostNazgarth, on 16 March 2018 - 01:49 PM, said:

 

Lol. scorpion G a bad tank, lmao, clear ltp issue.

 

Also this is not how you share replays, think im stupid enough to just download a random file from the internet?

 

I'd assume you are smart enough to have an antivirus which can scan rar archives or, that or actually seeing that my content is playable only by the replay function from WoT.

 

If not, don't be a cheapskate and go buy an antivirus.



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View Postmacenkrace, on 16 March 2018 - 02:59 PM, said:

 

I'd assume you are smart enough to have an antivirus which can scan rar archives or, that or actually seeing that my content is playable only by the replay function from WoT.

 

If not, don't be a cheapskate and go buy an antivirus.

 

you can upload it to wot replays. It is the most common way to share replays.

Simeon85 #14 Posted 16 March 2018 - 03:02 PM

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Gun mantlet is like 400 effective in places so you either hit that or an auto-bounce zone. RNG happens, aim better. 

 

Skorpion G is not bad, if you think that then you are bad, it's not the tank's fault. 



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View Postmacenkrace, on 16 March 2018 - 02:59 PM, said:

 

I'd assume you are smart enough to have an antivirus which can scan rar archives or, that or actually seeing that my content is playable only by the replay function from WoT.

 

If not, don't be a cheapskate and go buy an antivirus.

 

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Coldspell #16 Posted 16 March 2018 - 03:06 PM

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Install battle hits mod,  it shows you a 3d model in garage of where your shells actually hit and where enemy tanks hit you.
It's a good post battles analysis tool and if more people had it then there would be less Omg how did I get penned / omg how did I not pen threads.

macenkrace #17 Posted 16 March 2018 - 03:11 PM

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View PostSimeon85, on 16 March 2018 - 02:02 PM, said:

Gun mantlet is like 400 effective in places so you either hit that or an auto-bounce zone. RNG happens, aim better. 

 

Skorpion G is not bad, if you think that then you are bad, it's not the tank's fault. 

 

In case you missed my previous explanation It was hit directly on flat surface, 203 tops.

In case you missed my replay it clearly shows that.
In case you didn't pay attention it was solved. the -25% pen RNG trolled me.

Also I don't think the tank is bad, but this match simply pissed me off. A tank which was a oneshot didn't die from 2 of my shots (one with gold). How wold you feed if you shot two shells which were in theory (green) pennable spots?

 

View PostDava_117, on 16 March 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

 

you can upload it to wot replays. It is the most common way to share replays.


Good reply. I honestly was too lazy to do that in 2 min when I wrote the thread, just wrote the post and uploaded a rar archive when I saw the replay was not uploaded. It was just the most handy thing to do.
 

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Edited

And is it that hard to tell me or are you just trying to troll me?


Edited by Asklepi0s, 16 March 2018 - 03:41 PM.


Nazgarth #18 Posted 16 March 2018 - 03:13 PM

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View Postmacenkrace, on 16 March 2018 - 03:11 PM, said:

 

In case you missed my previous explanation It was hit directly on flat surface, 203 tops.

In case you missed my replay it clearly shows that.
In case you didn't pay attention it was solved. the -25% pen RNG trolled me.

Also I don't think the tank is bad, but this match simply pissed me off. A tank which was a oneshot didn't die from 2 of my shots (one with gold). How wold you feed if you shot two shells which were in theory (green) pennable spots?

 


Good reply. I honestly was too lazy to do that in 2 min when I wrote the thread, just wrote the post and uploaded a rar archive when I saw the replay was not uploaded. It was just the most handy thing to do.
 

And is it that hard to tell me or are you just trying to troll me?

 

Nah you trolled yourself by claiming skorp G is "an incredibly bad one" :teethhappy:

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ayy up the snowflake police are here

Balc0ra #20 Posted 16 March 2018 - 03:59 PM

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View Postmacenkrace, on 16 March 2018 - 01:43 PM, said:

​So two incredible low rolls in a row. I thought the RNG was +/-15%? WTF this is incredibly trolling.

Also second shot heavily doubts the accuracy of German guns, fully aimed on the cupola, shots the side...

 

No it's 25%... always have been. AW had 15% for a bit during beta. Maybe that's what you remember. And listed dispersion is at 100m. At 50m you can half that, but it's still not zero. So it still has a chance to go wide either way at that range.

 

And upload the replay to Wotreplays.com. No one is gonna download a rar file here.

 

 


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