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piratha #1 Posted 17 March 2018 - 01:54 PM

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It seems I'm stuck with this gun! I've some German Mediums and it's simply the top gun on many of them, where the first choice is the stock one. VK30.02M, VK30.01D, Panther/M10; also on the Pz.Kpfw. IV Schmalturm and some other around Tier 6 & 7.

 

On the D the gun is in it's worst accuracy (moving, traverse and after firing), on the M it gets ~25% better, until on the Panther/M10 it feels sufficiently ok.. considering the very low penetration and alpha though. It's like firing a small non-letal laser pew-pew.

 

Why is so widespread, why there are no alternatives whatsoever to chose from? I find Tier 6 mediums as a comfortable spot to exercise but.. I think I'll have to wait up the the VK30.01P to get the 8.8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56 to change the play style; even if the P with a stronger gun suffers somehow when compared to the M variant in term of hull armor and health points.

 

At the moment I'm rolling on the Pz. IV H (which feels like the good ol' Sherman M4) and absolutely mounting the 105mm.

 

Which mediums Tier 5-6 do you actually enjoy?



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The gun itself it's actually pretty good, compared to other tier 6 med. 150 pen is good (Cromwell and T-34-85 have 144) and 135 alpha is in the avarage. It's similar to Chi-To topgun. 

 

As tier 6 med I like, T-34-85 is surely my favourite, followed by Chi-To. I'm also quite close to get VK30.02M, just to have the panther at tier 6. :)



crnakoza #3 Posted 17 March 2018 - 02:02 PM

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That gun is quite alright, but it scares no one, so if your prefered playstyle is to yolo in the middle of the action and just blast everyone in the face, you would be better off avoiding tanks that use said gun. It has very peculiar playstyle which you either get and like or you don't and hate.

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View Postpiratha, on 17 March 2018 - 01:54 PM, said:

Which mediums Tier 5-6 do you actually enjoy?

 

im a moron so I play all tanks, bad or not. However, best tier 6 mediums are the ones with good alpha. + the Cromwell when it comes to low alpha guns. Accuracy means ***** in this game, i get snapshotted on regular by 0.4+ dispersion "inaccurate" tanks while my 0.33 Ravioli and 0.34 WZ-120-1G miss like they're arty...


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View Postdimethylcadmium, on 17 March 2018 - 02:03 PM, said:

im a moron so I play all tanks, bad or not. However, best tier 6 mediums are the ones with good alpha. + the Cromwell when it comes to low alpha guns. Accuracy means ***** in this game, i get snapshotted on regular by 0.4+ dispersion "inaccurate" tanks while my 0.33 Ravioli and 0.34 WZ-120-1G miss like they're arty...

 

Exactly this: I like the T-34-85 more overrall, it actually feels it is able to hit and the shell does pen & damages stuff. The shells smoothly fly to the target whereas on the german ones they look like nervous and jumpy missing at the very last moment :confused:

 

P.S. I'm somewhat a moron too :D


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View Postpiratha, on 17 March 2018 - 01:54 PM, said:

 

It seems I'm stuck with this gun! I've some German Mediums and it's simply the top gun on many of them, where the first choice is the stock one. VK30.02M, VK30.01D, Panther/M10; also on the Pz.Kpfw. IV Schmalturm and some other around Tier 6 & 7.

 

On the D the gun is in it's worst accuracy (moving, traverse and after firing), on the M it gets ~25% better, until on the Panther/M10 it feels sufficiently ok.. considering the very low penetration and alpha though. It's like firing a small non-letal laser pew-pew.

 

Why is so widespread, why there are no alternatives whatsoever to chose from? I find Tier 6 mediums as a comfortable spot to exercise but.. I think I'll have to wait up the the VK30.01P to get the 8.8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56 to change the play style; even if the P with a stronger gun suffers somehow when compared to the M variant in term of hull armor and health points.

 

At the moment I'm rolling on the Pz. IV H (which feels like the good ol' Sherman M4) and absolutely mounting the 105mm.

 

Which mediums Tier 5-6 do you actually enjoy?

 

88 l56, especially on a t6 hull, will not do very well, the gun is inherently derpy. You will miss the 75mm L70 accuracy.

Also, Panther/M10 has a built in vstab .... so the hidden dispersion stats are amazing on it.



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View PostVarzA, on 17 March 2018 - 02:45 PM, said:

 

88 l56, especially on a t6 hull, will not do very well, the gun is inherently derpy. You will miss the 75mm L70 accuracy.

Also, Panther/M10 has a built in vstab .... so the hidden dispersion stats are amazing on it.

 

Playing VK (P) with the 75mm? Absolute heresy.

 

The 88mm is what makes it one of the best Tier 6 mediums along with T-34-85M.

 

You have identical alpha dmg as tier 8 mediums and same DPM as them. They see tier 10, you see tier 6 tanks. If that's not OP, nothing is.


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View Postdimethylcadmium, on 17 March 2018 - 03:09 PM, said:

 

Playing VK (P) with the 75mm? Absolute heresy.

 

The 88mm is what makes it one of the best Tier 6 mediums along with T-34-85M.

 

You have identical alpha dmg as tier 8 mediums and same DPM as them. They see tier 10, you see tier 6 tanks. If that's not OP, nothing is.

 

I never said anything about playing the 30.01 P with the 75mm L70, that is something you read.

I just compared the 2 guns, independent of the platforms and made a comment about accuracy.



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View PostVarzA, on 17 March 2018 - 03:19 PM, said:

 

I never said anything about playing the 30.01 P with the 75mm L70, that is something you read.

I just compared the 2 guns, independent of the platforms and made a comment about accuracy.

 

75mm is barely more accurate. IIRC, they have the same gun handling. 

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View Postpiratha, on 17 March 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

It seems I'm stuck with this gun! I've some German Mediums and it's simply the top gun on many of them, where the first choice is the stock one. VK30.02M, VK30.01D, Panther/M10; also on the Pz.Kpfw. IV Schmalturm and some other around Tier 6 & 7.

 



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Eh, on the Schmalturm this gun is GODLIKE, lowest after fire dispersion etc. Also, helps the side skirts on it troll people shooting at places where there is not a single bit of hull behind it.

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Wait till you encounter the 88mm L/71.
It's used on even more vehicles

Edited by Baldrickk, 17 March 2018 - 09:35 PM.


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View PostDava_117, on 17 March 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

The gun itself it's actually pretty good, compared to other tier 6 med. 150 pen is good (Cromwell and T-34-85 have 144) and 135 alpha is in the avarage. It's similar to Chi-To topgun. 

 

With he influx of armored Tier VIIII and MM throwing you in with Tier VIII more often, the gun is somewhat lacking these days. Both from historical as well as balance perspective, the KwK 42 L/70 really should be buffed; 180 -185 mm penetration, at least 150 damage. The increase in damage per shot could be offset with a reload increase to maintain similar DPM if balance so desired (demanded). As the British get the 17-pounder at Tier VI with 171 mm penetration, there is no reason to keep the KwK 42 L/70 at 150 mm (as it did perform better than the 17-pounder with full caliber AP rounds, and German AP had an explosive filler).



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View PostAliceUnchained, on 18 March 2018 - 12:11 PM, said:

 

With he influx of armored Tier VIIII and MM throwing you in with Tier VIII more often, the gun is somewhat lacking these days. Both from historical as well as balance perspective, the KwK 42 L/70 really should be buffed; 180 -185 mm penetration, at least 150 damage. The increase in damage per shot could be offset with a reload increase to maintain similar DPM if balance so desired (demanded). As the British get the 17-pounder at Tier VI with 171 mm penetration, there is no reason to keep the KwK 42 L/70 at 150 mm (as it did perform better than the 17-pounder with full caliber AP rounds, and German AP had an explosive filler).

WG and historically accurate tanks? What are you smoking?



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I have this gun on my Stug, of course that's historical, really, lol, it's good at tier V and sometimes against VI's, it's accurate, ROF is ok, can't complain really, but then I quit tier climbing at VI.

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View Postpiratha, on 17 March 2018 - 01:54 PM, said:

Why is so widespread, why there are no alternatives whatsoever to chose from? I find Tier 6 mediums as a comfortable spot to exercise but.. I think I'll have to wait up the the VK30.01P to get the 8.8 cm Kw.K. 36 L/56 to change the play style; even if the P with a stronger gun suffers somehow when compared to the M variant in term of hull armor and health points.

 

I still used the L70 over the L56 on most of my tier 6 German meds, even more so after they changed the stats on both. Still even prefer the Waffe gun over the L56 on the 3601. Alpha is great, but the 10 more dpm did not make up for the 132 pen it had before vs the 150 or 157mm pen the other guns had.



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View PostBaldrickk, on 18 March 2018 - 12:19 PM, said:

WG and historically accurate tanks? What are you smoking?

 

In all fairness, I was talking about a gun specifically and not a tank. From a balance perspective there really is little to no reason to keep it at 150 mm, and the increase can be further justified by its historical performance; which is used in WoT for some guns here and there, there's just no consistency and logic to it.

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 18 March 2018 - 01:54 PM, said:

 

In all fairness, I was talking about a gun specifically and not a tank. From a balance perspective there really is little to no reason to keep it at 150 mm, and the increase can be further justified by its historical performance; which is used in WoT for some guns here and there, there's just no consistency and logic to it.

 

150mm did work and kinda made sense in the old old meta. Now? Less so.

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View PostBalc0ra, on 18 March 2018 - 01:57 PM, said:

150mm did work and kinda made sense in the old old meta. Now? Less so.

 

Same for the 135 damage per shot, especially when the 17-pounder gets 150; for the most part, most vehicles and modules (guns mainly) which have been around for some years lag far behind to the recent additions. 

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View PostAliceUnchained, on 18 March 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

 

Same for the 135 damage per shot, especially when the 17-pounder gets 150,

 

the caliber and the damage in wot are often rather skewed.

 

because the same 75mm gun has at least 3 different or 4 alpha damage.

for instance, Chi-to has 130, cromie has 135, strv has 150 and so on






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