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WaifuRacer #1 Posted 17 March 2018 - 06:12 PM

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So I did a little experiment in low tier, and found out that low tier arty is so outright broken, that it is actually braking the game. YOu get full 15 minutes of camping in low tier, and oh not because of the new players, no! Its because of arty like the M44, the fv304, the grille and so on. Their reload is so quick that if they lock on one target, it takes only 40 to 70 seconds to take out the entire tank with just them shooting it. 15 sec reload is just... EDIT

Edited by Vaigl_cz, 19 March 2018 - 03:24 PM.
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NoobySkooby #2 Posted 17 March 2018 - 06:15 PM

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I love my M37, please do not nerf it, if anything I want a bigger derpy cannon on it but hey I don't want to upset too many, lol

Jigabachi #3 Posted 17 March 2018 - 06:27 PM

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The FV doesn't seem to be much of a problem, but I heard lots of criticism about the American ones.


Besides that: Those last two words will really motivate the mod to not junk this thread right away. Good choice.

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View PostWaifuRacer, on 17 March 2018 - 06:12 PM, said:

So I did a little experiment in low tier, and found out that low tier arty is so outright broken, that it is actually braking the game. YOu get full 15 minutes of camping in low tier, and oh not because of the new players, no! Its because of arty like the M44, the fv304, the grille and so on.

 

So you mean T2-T6?

 

My SPG account plays T5-T6, and in the last 900 games there have been only 5 15-minute games, and only 40 over 10 minutes. Most are about 5 minutes long.

 

So, what was your experiment? What did you measure, and what were the results?



Rittmeister39 #6 Posted 18 March 2018 - 02:33 AM

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Only Losers whine about arty. Arty is part of tank warfare, deal with it.

The FV304 is a high risk arty with very short range and like zero splash damage. If you get hammered by it it's your own fault.



Balc0ra #7 Posted 18 March 2018 - 02:48 AM

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FV304 is arguably the most useless SPG in the game atm. It's HE pen is so low that you are lucky to do 40 damage vs lower tiers half the time, and it has no stun.  M44 is a tad silly, but WG have said that's the only arty they will look into due to it. As it's over preforming on stats even.

 

And if you are allowed to constantly spam the same spot for 70 seconds with an arty. Is it the arty's fault, or the EDIT that don't move? The few that rage in chat still about arty, are those that get hit, then move out to the same spot 20 seconds later to get hit again. If you know arty is aiming there. Why move into it when you are arty safe around the corner.


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PhooBar #8 Posted 18 March 2018 - 04:35 AM

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leggasiini #9 Posted 18 March 2018 - 08:55 AM

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Kinda, yes. FV304 is pretty shitty now, though. Any arty without stun that isnt LeFH isnt really a threat, tbh.

 

Some lower tier arties are kinda dumb. Grille has too high alpha for its reload, same for quite a few other arties at tier 5-6, and M44 has a too fast reload.

 

There is one issue: they nerfed the arty alpha accross the tiers unequally, while giving all of them the same benefits (accuracy, aim time, splash buffs and stun mechanic. Alpha damage of higher tier arties got almost cut in half. Meanwhile, lowtier arties with stun...lost like what? 20-30%? Object 261 had 1700 alpha (i think), now it has 950. AMX 13 F3 used to have 910, now it has...700. 



SiliconSidewinder #10 Posted 18 March 2018 - 09:05 AM

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ok...?

except offcourse most low tier (aka Tier 2-5)

arties can't hit crapbecause their guns are less precise and their targets a lot smaller and the games usually faster.

so to get camped to death by them you must have really failed hard.



LordMuffin #11 Posted 18 March 2018 - 09:33 AM

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View PostBalc0ra, on 18 March 2018 - 02:48 AM, said:

FV304 is arguably the most useless SPG in the game atm. It's HE pen is so low that you are lucky to do 40 damage vs lower tiers half the time, and it has no stun.  M44 is a tad silly, but WG have said that's the only arty they will look into due to it. As it's over preforming on stats even.

 

And if you are allowed to constantly spam the same spot for 70 seconds with an arty. Is it the arty's fault, or the idiots that don't move? The few that rage in chat still about arty, are those that get hit, then move out to the same spot 20 seconds later to get hit again. If you know arty is aiming there. Why move into it when you are arty safe around the corner.

Indeed, why play active when you can camp in arty safety and wait for enemy to push.



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View PostWaifuRacer, on 17 March 2018 - 06:12 PM, said:

So I did a little experiment in low tier, and found out that low tier arty is so outright broken, that it is actually braking the game. YOu get full 15 minutes of camping in low tier, and oh not because of the new players, no! Its because of arty like the M44, the fv304, the grille and so on. Their reload is so quick that if they lock on one target, it takes only 40 to 70 seconds to take out the entire tank with just them shooting it.

 

Soo... can we get the replays of all those games in which your SPGs performed so amazingly well? Because on average you don't even kill one enemy tank per battle with all your arties, heck, most of them don't even do enough average to have killed a same-tier target without support from other team members (and your tier III arties do so bad that on average they don't even one-shot tier II tanks)

 

You also haven't explained how a 15~20 second reload can be faster that the default track repair time of twelve seconds (not to mention that with repair skill, toolbox etc. that time can be shortened significantly, let alone the question why not using a smell repair kit)

 

Let alone the fact that none of the arties you explicitly mentioned (M44, FV304, Grille) even show up on your profile. So I guess rather than making an experiment you simply blubbered nonsense.



HugSeal #13 Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:25 AM

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View PostWaifuRacer, on 17 March 2018 - 06:12 PM, said:

So I did a little experiment in low tier, and found out that low tier arty is so outright broken, that it is actually braking the game. YOu get full 15 minutes of camping in low tier, and oh not because of the new players, no! Its because of arty like the M44, the fv304, the grille and so on. Their reload is so quick that if they lock on one target, it takes only 40 to 70 seconds to take out the entire tank with just them shooting it. 15 sec reload is just...EDIT

 

It's a sign, it says: Stop clubbing at tier 5 in your kv and pz3/4.



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View PostWaifuRacer, on 17 March 2018 - 06:12 PM, said:

So I did a little experiment in low tier, and found out that low tier arty is so outright broken, that it is actually braking the game. YOu get full 15 minutes of camping in low tier, and oh not because of the new players, no! Its because of arty like the M44, the fv304, the grille and so on. Their reload is so quick that if they lock on one target, it takes only 40 to 70 seconds to take out the entire tank with just them shooting it. 15 sec reload is just...EDIT

 

the moment you mentioned the Bert, you've lost all credibility.  Continue your whine fest tho.:arta:

WaifuRacer #15 Posted 18 March 2018 - 05:56 PM

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View PostCraftyVeteran, on 18 March 2018 - 11:07 AM, said:

 

the moment you mentioned the Bert, you've lost all credibility.  Continue your whine fest tho.:arta:

 

Did you play tier V lately? The bert tears apart any tier 5 in seconds. Dont know why you are saying it is not op...

Rittmeister39 #16 Posted 18 March 2018 - 09:43 PM

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View Postleggasiini, on 18 March 2018 - 08:55 AM, said:

Grille has too high alpha for its reload,

 

Grille is super hard to play. It has such a tiny gun arch that you can't hit anything moving sideways. And you have to predict where enemy tanks will show up before they actually do because when you swing that gun around the aim time gets so high it drives you insane.

Some games Grille does well - when enemies are camping or stupid, other games I can't hit anything. The tiny gun arch is so annoying, I am going to sell Grille again it's a pain in the a$$ to play. AND YOU WANT IT NERFED? WTF! the decent alpha is the only thing it's got going for it.

STOP CAMPING it it wont bother you.

 

View PostWaifuRacer, on 18 March 2018 - 05:56 PM, said:

 

Did you play tier V lately? The bert tears apart any tier 5 in seconds. Dont know why you are saying it is not op...

 

STOP CAMPING!

Bert only works well on mostly stationary targets, and the pen is so bad i sometimes only do like 40dmg...


 

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View PostWaifuRacer, on 17 March 2018 - 05:12 PM, said:

So I did a little experiment in low tier, and found out that low tier arty is so outright broken, that it is actually braking the game. YOu get full 15 minutes of camping in low tier, and oh not because of the new players, no! Its because of arty like the M44, the fv304, the grille and so on. Their reload is so quick that if they lock on one target, it takes only 40 to 70 seconds to take out the entire tank with just them shooting it. 15 sec reload is just... EDIT

 

Those last two words (edited ones - note from mod) really sum up your argument nicely.

Allow me to translate then for you...w a r n i n g  p o i n t


Edited by Vaigl_cz, 19 March 2018 - 03:36 PM.
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View PostWaifuRacer, on 17 March 2018 - 07:12 PM, said:

So I did a little experiment in low tier, and found out that low tier arty is so outright broken, that it is actually braking the game. YOu get full 15 minutes of camping in low tier, and oh not because of the new players, no! Its because of arty like the M44, the fv304, the grille and so on. Their reload is so quick that if they lock on one target, it takes only 40 to 70 seconds to take out the entire tank with just them shooting it. 15 sec reload is just... EDIT

 

The very existence of arty in this game is EDIT retarded, and no, it shouldn't be nerfed, it should be completely removed.

Edited by Vaigl_cz, 19 March 2018 - 03:38 PM.
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vixu #19 Posted 19 March 2018 - 01:22 PM

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WG cannot really nerf the worst arty: LeFH. 

Other then that, M44 is the only low-tier arty that is somewhat playable after 9.18.  

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Another artillery wine thread

 

 

View PostPhooBar, on 18 March 2018 - 03:35 AM, said:

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Well said PhooBar

 

Campers always whine about arty

 

Personally I really love the tier 3 Bison, possibly  the best arty in WOT and no one uses it! Stick a 3 skill crew with Bia and whoopee 3,4, maybe even 5-6 kills.

 

Its like a mini Bishop/Fv304


 




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