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Poll: P43 “quater” italian tier 8 (52 members have cast votes)

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Would you like to change the entirely fictional panther with the most realistic / likely p43 "quater"

  1. Yes, (p43 “quater” tier 8 in italian tech tree) (22 votes [42.31%])

    Percentage of vote: 42.31%

  2. No, (Panther with autoreload gun tier 8 in italian tech tree) (30 votes [57.69%])

    Percentage of vote: 57.69%

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nicolafaraone92 #1 Posted 18 March 2018 - 08:35 AM

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The p-43 project spawned 4 designs, three of which have already been announced by wargaming. a fourth, to be named p-43 “quater” was conceived by an engineer by the name of montù as mounting an 850hp aviation engine (Fiat 1050 RC.58I). In the game it would mount as top gun the cannone da 90/71, a 90mm gun (without autoreload) with a barrel length of 71 calibers which lever left the design stage. the looks would be nearly identical to those of the p.43 ter ( with 100 mm frontal armor), but the more powerful engine and gun would grant it a tier-8 worthy performance.

would you prefer it over the pantera in the name of historical accuracy (or whatever of it can be salvaged) or would you rather have the pantera?

Please vote :great:

 

Italian topic :

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/665289-mettiamo-il-p43-quater-come-vero-tier-8-del-nostro-albero-tecnologico-anziche-il-pantera-autoreloaderp43-quater-as-true-tier-8-instead-p44-pantera/

 



Tom_Deekanarry #2 Posted 18 March 2018 - 10:39 AM

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Huh, what?

Historical accuracy in WoT, where Panzer IV's and Hetzers have 105mm howitzers and half the tanks never left the drawing board?


 

This is World of made up crapthese days.


Edited by Major_Madfokker, 18 March 2018 - 10:45 AM.


nicolafaraone92 #3 Posted 18 March 2018 - 11:40 AM

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View PostMajor_Madfokker, on 18 March 2018 - 10:39 AM, said:

Huh, what?

Historical accuracy in WoT, where Panzer IV's and Hetzers have 105mm howitzers and half the tanks never left the drawing board?


 

This is World of made up crapthese days.

 

I think, when you can, is best more accuracy instead fantasy...

 



Tom_Deekanarry #4 Posted 18 March 2018 - 11:53 AM

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View Postnicolafaraone92, on 18 March 2018 - 11:40 AM, said:

 

I think, when you can, is best more accuracy instead fantasy...

 

 

I completely agree, they really screwed this game up when they went down the fantasy route, it'll be hover tanks and lasers next!

nicolafaraone92 #5 Posted 18 March 2018 - 01:52 PM

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View PostMajor_Madfokker, on 18 March 2018 - 11:53 AM, said:

 

I completely agree, they really screwed this game up when they went down the fantasy route, it'll be hover tanks and lasers next!

 

I hope they still listen to our community :(

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View PostTom_Deekanarry, on 18 March 2018 - 10:53 AM, said:

 

I completely agree, they really screwed this game up when they went down the fantasy route, it'll be hover tanks and lasers next!

 

World of Space Tanks confirmed :P

 

Kidding aside why not have both? The P. 43 leading upto the more historically accurate OF-40.



Gremlin182 #7 Posted 03 May 2018 - 10:43 AM

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Ok so you remove all tanks that didn't actually make it into battle.

How many nations do you think that leaves and how many tanks.

 

You end up with 6 nations in the game Russia Germany America UK Japan and Italy.

None of the others produced tanks between 1940 and the early 50s

Japan was not a major tank producing nation neither was Italy.

 

So the only way to add more nations and make some have complete tech trees is to add tanks from the 50s and 60s.

Still not many home grown tanks for some nations so lots of American and Soviet tanks to fill out the lines.

 

Sorry but world of fantasy tanks was the only way forward and its not unreasonable if you change fantasy to what if.

What if France had not been knocked out of the war what tanks might they have been producing.

Suppose Japan had entered into major land engagements with Russia and needed to develop heavy tanks.

 

I used to play a board game called world in flames and there was an expansion called days of decision.

You ended up with what if situations with different nations on the axis and allied sides as well as others remaining neutral.

World of what if tanks is much like that.



mavrick25 #8 Posted 14 October 2018 - 02:28 PM

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Umm, the Pantera isn't actually completely fake, the project for an Italian made Panther did actually exist and was being discussed by the Italian military and tank designers, from what I've heard is that it managed to reach the preliminary design phase before Italy collapsed and the project was canceled, the concept of the Pantera did exist and It may have continued further if it wasn't for Italy's capitulation:

 

Source: http://www.tanks-enc...italian-panther



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View Postnicolafaraone92, on 18 March 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

The p-43 project spawned 4 designs, three of which have already been announced by wargaming. a fourth, to be named p-43 “quater” was conceived by an engineer by the name of montù as mounting an 850hp aviation engine (Fiat 1050 RC.58I). In the game it would mount as top gun the cannone da 90/71, a 90mm gun (without autoreload) with a barrel length of 71 calibers which lever left the design stage. the looks would be nearly identical to those of the p.43 ter ( with 100 mm frontal armor), but the more powerful engine and gun would grant it a tier-8 worthy performance.

would you prefer it over the pantera in the name of historical accuracy (or whatever of it can be salvaged) or would you rather have the pantera?

Please vote :great:

 

Italian topic :

http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/665289-mettiamo-il-p43-quater-come-vero-tier-8-del-nostro-albero-tecnologico-anziche-il-pantera-autoreloaderp43-quater-as-true-tier-8-instead-p44-pantera/

 

 

who build this tank and where it served?

Gremlin182 #10 Posted 15 October 2018 - 10:55 AM

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Stick to historical accuracy and half the tanks and many of the guns would be out of the game.

 

This isn't world of fantasy so much as world of what iffs.

 

In the real world Italy and japan never developed much in the way of tanks they had tankets some mediums and that's about it.

France knocked out of the war in 1940 so all development lost there.

Tiger 1 tank with just the L56 gun

Poland gone Czechoslovakia gone.

 

However what if the war stalemated much as the First world war did or if it lasted another 5 years what tanks could have been developed.

Its not unreasonable for some of these designs to have been used Japan Vs Russia in 1946 or 47 would we have seen E100s vs Type 5 Heavies.

 

Its not a historical wargame its a playable wargame loosely based on history

 

 



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Hi!

 

Topic moved from WG Development Partner Program to Italian vehicles.

 

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View Postnicolafaraone92, on 18 March 2018 - 08:35 AM, said:

would you prefer it over the pantera in the name of historical accuracy (or whatever of it can be salvaged) or would you rather have the pantera?

 

Pantera easily, just because it's probably one of the most fun tanks to play IMO. Putting that aside, I can say I'd prefer the Pantera just for one reason; the accuracy. Your listed value is 0.4 Just like the Ter, and 2.3 Instead of 2.4. For me, that was probably the most frustrating thing about the Ter. The tank was basically fit more for bullying lower tiers, but you weren't regularly facing them and so you couldn't use that potential, and then you had both mediocre pen combined with poor base accuracy meaning you were generally pretty poor for support too.

Your penetration buff and the high rate of fire is nice, but really doesn't offset that poor accuracy especially being that you'll again suffer the problem of regularly being stuck in a support role due to MM And your high rate of fire especially doesn't mean jack if you can't hit anything unless you're facehugging it. 

 

Comparably, the Pantera's base accuracy is 0.33, which makes it generally very comfortable to work with. IMO This makes it more comfortable than the autoreloader, though that's not to put aside the autoreloader. :P



Tijsbeek993 #13 Posted 14 November 2018 - 11:58 AM

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You can't get this game realisisch..

Because then the Maus would be freaking OP.. All the only protype tank's can't get in the game.. because they aren't real..

It's a game.. Ofcourse realisme does care for me. but it's a game.. you can't make it 100% realisme

Barteh #14 Posted 27 October 2019 - 12:51 AM

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View Postmavrick25, on 14 October 2018 - 02:28 PM, said:

Umm, the Pantera isn't actually completely fake, the project for an Italian made Panther did actually exist and was being discussed by the Italian military and tank designers, from what I've heard is that it managed to reach the preliminary design phase before Italy collapsed and the project was canceled, the concept of the Pantera did exist and It may have continued further if it wasn't for Italy's capitulation:

 

Source: http://www.tanks-enc...italian-panther

 

Slight bump because we were discussing the historicity of the P.43 Pantera tonight... I just read that article, and while highly interesting (thanks for the link!), the majority is about (potential) Italian production of the actual German Panther design. The P.43 (note: no 'Pantera' addition) is only referred to as a separate development in a single line at the end: "...while a P.43 tank armed with a 90mm gun was under development."

 

Sadly, the WG wiki still doesn't contain a historic section on the tier 8 Italian medium tank. I'm curious which sources this "P.43 Pantera" was based on.


Edited by Barteh, 27 October 2019 - 12:51 AM.


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Touch my Pantera and we have a problem buddy. :angry:

Suurpolskija #16 Posted 24 January 2020 - 07:32 AM

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Yes. Pantera is too good to be tech tree tank. They should replace it with the boring tank you described and make Pantera a premium tank for 40 euros. 




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