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hedgehog_s #1 Posted 18 March 2018 - 03:50 PM

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Is it just me or is the AMX65T some kind of sick joke?? I've got this with top engine - no difference to bottom that I can see, top turret - worse than stock changed it back, middle gun - only option with pen above that of a tier 6 firefly. I'm trying to grind to the Tier 9 but at this rate Ill be in a retirement home before that happens!!  94 battles so far - average damage 665, average XP 560, survival rate 7% - all tier 10 battles where any armour it does have is useless, gun cant pen 50% of heavies even with apcr (263). And no I'm not rushing to the front in these battles I'm trying to play med liners but even there its too slow and gets wrecked by meds. Has anyone at WoT actually played this hideous piece of shite ?? Last thing I played this bad was DW2 and to be honest it was actually better.

8126Jakobsson #2 Posted 18 March 2018 - 03:55 PM

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gunslingerXXX #3 Posted 18 March 2018 - 04:05 PM

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Yesterday there was a thread by a guy willing to 3-mark everything. Just saying...

Pandabird #4 Posted 18 March 2018 - 04:16 PM

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It's mediocre, but 400 alpha gun packs a nice punch with decent gun constraints.

I think the armor is above average for a paper tank, get a few freak bounces here and there. Speed could be better though, like, a LOT better.

Dammonar #5 Posted 18 March 2018 - 04:17 PM

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That tank is aggressively  metastasizing and chemio resistant, its sole reason of existance is to be a free exp sink or a potential cause of brain cancer, your choice. TVP vtu is op compared to that malignancy.

I tried to grind it with prem account and +300% exp bonus but the  mutagenesis levels were shadowing interior chernobil reactor levels.

 

I have never before skipped a tier 8 tank since 2011 and yes i have grinded T-34 (tier 9 american heavy) with standard account and t-29 gun .



Cobra6 #6 Posted 18 March 2018 - 04:23 PM

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The AMX 65t is indeed a bad joke, but it's there for a reason.

 

You see, the logical tech-tree tank for the new French line would have been the Mle.49 as it plays exactly the same as the tier 9/10 tank in the line, it has the same type of armour and it pretty much looks the same as well.

 

*BUT*

 

Wargaming doesn't want you to just enjoy playing new lines, if you do they don't make any money out of you. So like in every new line they put a deliberately terrible vehicle in there, usually around tier 7/8, to encourage people to use a lot of free XP (via gold conversion) to skip modules or the entire tank. Every line has had this for years.

 

The Mle.49 should have been the regular tank in the tree and the AMX65t should have been the premium as it doesn't fit either the AMX-100 line and neither does it fit the new heavy line as it has no effective armour.

The only reason the Mle.49 is not the regular tank is Wargaming's rampant greed, they *want* you to use free XP and to skip the 65t so the best solution to this situation is:

 

Grind the AMX65t yourself no matter how painful it is, do not reward Wargaming by skipping modules or the entire tank with free-XP (unless you got it from playing and didn't use gold to convert it). Don't reward greed because the only logical end-station to that is even more greed.

I'm on the way myself as well, still on the Mle.45 which I'm playing fully until I unlock the tier 8, no free XP and no free-XP for the Tier 8 either.

 

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Edited by Cobra6, 18 March 2018 - 04:28 PM.


dimethylcadmium #7 Posted 18 March 2018 - 05:28 PM

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https://www.dpgwhore...ecent&server=eu

 

Unicums seem to do around 1800-2200 DPG in it. Therefore it's not terrible, it's just slightly underpowered. You're probably not used to bad tanks, thats all

 

This would be a possible keeper with the big gun, if it had Conqueror gun handling to compensate for the 50 120 hull. 


Edited by dimethylcadmium, 18 March 2018 - 05:29 PM.


VarzA #8 Posted 18 March 2018 - 06:07 PM

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Why is it considered bad ?

Doozerr #9 Posted 18 March 2018 - 06:10 PM

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View PostVarzA, on 18 March 2018 - 06:07 PM, said:

Why is it considered bad ?

Because it is totally crap 



dimethylcadmium #10 Posted 18 March 2018 - 06:19 PM

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View PostVarzA, on 18 March 2018 - 06:07 PM, said:

Why is it considered bad ?

 

because you can't play it like an idiot and do well, basically it's not an is-3/vk100p/is-m/defender

Cobra6 #11 Posted 18 March 2018 - 06:38 PM

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View Postdimethylcadmium, on 18 March 2018 - 04:28 PM, said:

https://www.dpgwhore...ecent&server=eu

 

Unicums seem to do around 1800-2200 DPG in it. Therefore it's not terrible, it's just slightly underpowered. You're probably not used to bad tanks, thats all

 

This would be a possible keeper with the big gun, if it had Conqueror gun handling to compensate for the 50 120 hull. 

 

Quite a cool website, I'm in there as well on the Panzer V/IV on 7th place for the server, not bad!

 

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8126Jakobsson #12 Posted 18 March 2018 - 06:54 PM

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View PostCobra6, on 18 March 2018 - 06:38 PM, said:

 

Quite a cool website, I'm in there as well on the Panzer V/IV on 7th place for the server, not bad!

 

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​There are only seven active owners left though. :hiding:

FatigueGalaxy #13 Posted 18 March 2018 - 07:17 PM

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It wouldn't be that bad if not completely retarded ground resistances. 1.73 on medium terrain (so you effectively have 27% of engine power) is just silly. This should one of the more mobile tier 8 heavies with that armour and engine power.

Pandabird #14 Posted 18 March 2018 - 07:39 PM

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View PostFatigueGalaxy, on 18 March 2018 - 08:17 PM, said:

It wouldn't be that bad if not completely retarded ground resistances. 1.73 on medium terrain (so you effectively have 27% of engine power) is just silly. This should one of the more mobile tier 8 heavies with that armour and engine power.

 

Exactly. It's a freaking Maybach with 1100 horse power, not a 1,6 litre vauxhall that struggles uphill... That ground resistance is horrible to make such a good engine feel so bad.


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VarzA #15 Posted 18 March 2018 - 07:52 PM

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I'm gonna get some hate for this, but it doesn't seem that bad to me (after watching some youtube replays).

Then again, my standard for comparison is the Tiger P, Panther II, 110, etc ...



Dammonar #16 Posted 18 March 2018 - 09:03 PM

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at lest tvp vtu can counter defender.. what can this counter? chrysler maybe?

Homer_J #17 Posted 18 March 2018 - 09:03 PM

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 18 March 2018 - 02:55 PM, said:

They want you to pay to not play. Don't give in, hedgehog. Stay strong. Our prayers are with you.

I tried, I failed, I free exp'd out of it.

 

View PostVarzA, on 18 March 2018 - 05:07 PM, said:

Why is it considered bad ?

 

It's not considered bad, it is bad.

 

It has no armour which wouldn't be a problen if it had mobility or a decent gun but it doesn't have either of those.



Cobra6 #18 Posted 18 March 2018 - 09:50 PM

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View Post8126Jakobsson, on 18 March 2018 - 05:54 PM, said:

 

​There are only seven active owners left though. :hiding:

 

I see a lot more people that have "Recent Battles", I played mine last about 2 months ago shortly after getting the 3rd MoE on it.

 

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TacticusMK2 #19 Posted 18 March 2018 - 09:54 PM

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AMX 65t was one of my best tier 8 grinds ever. Loved the gameplay. Checked up my stats to see if it was just an illusion, but nope.. 60% WR and 1600 WN8. Well above my tomato average stat. 

Shaade_Silentpaw #20 Posted 19 March 2018 - 01:07 AM

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While I was playing through it I was convinced there was some kind of error with the mobility.

Hard to break 30km/h even on flat, hard terrain with top engine...just doesn't seem right, considering there's nothing else special about the tank that it might be there to counter.






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