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grzechu23 #1 Posted 19 March 2018 - 01:50 PM

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Hello there,

 

Lately I got tired of this nonsense called current tier based match maker, where I face tanks like OBJ.430, IS-3, AMX 50-100, and so on with my Challenger. 

I don't understand what this tank is supposed to do against such vehicles, where my gun deals some funny 260 avg damage each 6 secs with best gun on, while theirs is something around 360 each 2-7 seconds, unless it got 130+ then it is even worse. 

What kind of logic is that to put tank from WW2 era against tanks from cold war or post cold war ?

When you end up with IS or Tiger against even IS-3 or Tiger VIB you don't stand much of chance, not to mention getting into tier IX games, with tanks mostly from cold war or after times. 

I want a game mode where tanks fight against +-2 years of date of production difference, where worst tank I will face on the example of Challenger will be Tiger VIBm not some IS-3 or UDES 03.

 

Probably this post will end up ignored as always, but it was worth a try. 

 



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Would be better imo. Already suggested that a while ago to split tanks by year.

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Year is completely irrelevant since all tanks are using the same pixel technology.  They could balance anything vs anything by tweaking some stats.

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Hey cool, a MM system based on year. So I guess it works a bit like we have a battle in 1945, and get only tanks that actually were around during that year (bye bye fantasy and blueprint (or scrap paper) tanks).

The cool thing would be tanks like the Sherman, that kept on being used long after the end of the war :P

 



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It won't make much of a difference in terms of making the game more balanced or fun. As the historical mode already showed that faced WW II tanks vs their equals. Everyone would just play the OP tank and steam roll the rest as pr normal. As some tanks will be useless regardless what they face.

 

And if they did, I suspect most tanks would be nerfed accordingly, as most are balanced for facing post era tanks to. Like the L71 on the Tiger etc. Considering your Challenger had a 17 pdr then if you want to be really into the era, and got the 32 pdr as a buff due to the armor it faced. Anyone who did grind the tank when it only had that gun knows it will be equally useless then vs WWII tanks. So why bother?  And besides the 32 pdr took the tank from useless to great. Even vs IS-3's or tier 9 armor. And at range vs the 50 100, you will rack up the paper armor damage anyway. So why complain? Just be happy it still don't have a 17 pdr.


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View PostHomer_J, on 19 March 2018 - 02:02 PM, said:

Year is completely irrelevant since all tanks are using the same pixel technology.  They could balance anything vs anything by tweaking some stats.

 

Yea all are pixels with different stats indeed. But I want pixels vs similar pixels here. 

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View PostZe_HOFF_fverhoef, on 19 March 2018 - 02:13 PM, said:

Hey cool, a MM system based on year. So I guess it works a bit like we have a battle in 1945, and get only tanks that actually were around during that year (bye bye fantasy and blueprint (or scrap paper) tanks).

The cool thing would be tanks like the Sherman, that kept on being used long after the end of the war :P

 

 

It would be like Sherman vs Tiger or Tiger VIB, not E-75 or IS-3. When it comes to tier X games its fine as it is. Unless they add tier XI with all these 1950+ tanks there. That would be nice too

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View Postgrzechu23, on 19 March 2018 - 01:27 PM, said:

 

Yea all are pixels with different stats indeed. But I want pixels vs similar pixels here. 

 

Then sadly you play the wrong game....

 

... the fact that qpranger likes your post actually confirms it :P



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View Postgrzechu23, on 19 March 2018 - 01:30 PM, said:

 

It would be like Sherman vs Tiger or Tiger VIB, not E-75 or IS-3. When it comes to tier X games its fine as it is. Unless they add tier XI with all these 1950+ tanks there. That would be nice too

 

TOGs versuses those crappy tier 1 tanks..... hmmm... that would be fun :P

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View PostZe_HOFF_fverhoef, on 19 March 2018 - 02:31 PM, said:

 

TOGs versuses those crappy tier 1 tanks..... hmmm... that would be fun :P

 

There could be only TOG-1 vs other tier 1 tanks. Model 2 was from 1941 or 1943. But still it would be fun.



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View PostBalc0ra, on 19 March 2018 - 02:22 PM, said:

It won't make much of a difference in terms of making the game more balanced or fun. As the historical mode already showed that faced WW II tanks vs their equals. Everyone would just play the OP tank and steam roll the rest as pr normal. As some tanks will be useless regardless what they face.

 

And if they did, I suspect most tanks would be nerfed accordingly, as most are balanced for facing post era tanks to. Like the L71 on the Tiger etc. Considering your Challenger had a 17 pdr then if you want to be really into the era, and got the 32 pdr as a buff due to the armor it faced. Anyone who did grind the tank when it only had that gun knows it will be equally useless then vs WWII tanks. So why bother?  And besides the 32 pdr took the tank from useless to great. Even vs IS-3's or tier 9 armor. And at range vs the 50 100, you will rack up the paper armor damage anyway. So why complain? Just be happy it still don't have a 17 pdr.

 

And that would be great. Tiger armor would be worth something, and Challenger could use its speed to get on a flanking position to hit its sides. Almost same as now, but without getting some tier IX tanks. 

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View Postgrzechu23, on 19 March 2018 - 01:38 PM, said:

 

And that would be great. Tiger armor would be worth something, and Challenger could use its speed to get on a flanking position to hit its sides. Almost same as now, but without getting some tier IX tanks. 

 

You do realise that everyone is gonna play tiger, as no one wants to face them in their inferior tanks. Interestingly enough it reminds me of htese historical battles we had a long time ago.

It died out, because the waiting queues were just massive (everyone wanting to play the 'cool' tanks).



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Maus, E 100, Type 5, VK 7201K / Pz VII and JP E100 vs tanks that are mostly tier 5s - 7s? Ayyyylmao

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Concept doesn't work when half the tanks in game don't even have a production year ...

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I do wonder where you pulled is idea from @OP ,since you obviously have no idea about production years.

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you are aware the challenger/avenger was produced in 1945 while IS-3 was aswell?
tiger II was produced in 1943 while IS-122(1943) was also produced in that year
that IS-2 was produced in 1944 which is 1 year later than tiger II
maus was sorta ready in 1944, have fun fighting that with t34 85 that was produced in 1944

 

so with your idea of -2/+2 years production date it would actually become worse as the tier 6 of now would face a couple tier x and stand even less of a chance in doing damage



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View Postgrzechu23, on 19 March 2018 - 01:50 PM, said:

Hello there,

 

Lately I got tired of this nonsense called current tier based match maker, where I face tanks like OBJ.430, IS-3, AMX 50-100, and so on with my Challenger. 

I don't understand what this tank is supposed to do against such vehicles, where my gun deals some funny 260 avg damage each 6 secs with best gun on, while theirs is something around 360 each 2-7 seconds, unless it got 130+ then it is even worse. 

What kind of logic is that to put tank from WW2 era against tanks from cold war or post cold war ?

When you end up with IS or Tiger against even IS-3 or Tiger VIB you don't stand much of chance, not to mention getting into tier IX games, with tanks mostly from cold war or after times. 

I want a game mode where tanks fight against +-2 years of date of production difference, where worst tank I will face on the example of Challenger will be Tiger VIBm not some IS-3 or UDES 03.

 

Probably this post will end up ignored as always, but it was worth a try.

 

doesn't work

 

any try at a "realistic" MM already fails at tank numbers.

with the resources needed for 1 Tiger II, I guess about 5 T-34-85 could be built with the same resources.



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View Postgrzechu23, on 19 March 2018 - 02:38 PM, said:

 

And that would be great. Tiger armor would be worth something, and Challenger could use its speed to get on a flanking position to hit its sides. Almost same as now, but without getting some tier IX tanks. 

 

Well as I said... it was 100% useless even vs WWII era tanks in this game, as the alpha and DPM combo is terrible. As It would be broken with the 32 pdr in a WWII era limited mode. So I don't see how that tank will be better here. Tiger would be more fun tho I suspect. But then again just play the tier 6 Tiger then. As the Tiger got the L71 gun due to the post era armor it faces.

 

But if you did it to randoms. I suspect it would split the community and kill the game of faster. As I would just play high tiers then until I got bored and leave the game then, vs enjoying mid tiers more.  As WWII only modes have been done before... with little success.

 

Tho you could try it as it's own mode still. But unlike historical, it's not a 6 vs 10 on pre sets maps. It's still 15 vs 15 on random maps. Then I suspect those that wanted it it would use it. And those that hate the idea would stick to random. As if you did it to randoms. You would just screw over some tiers. As some mid tiers have a few post WW II tanks. And having them only facing post era, would more or less give them +2 MM constantly. And 3-5-7 would not work either... or make much sense in that mode. Tho your Challenger and Tiger would see no IS-3 etc. It would still see King Tigers, Pershings etc. So not all tier 8 armor would go away. As your Tiger would face tier 5's more then anything then I suspect. It would basically be WOT 7.0 if you will. Where the KV-1 faced E100's.



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So my Type 5 Heavy tank will never have to suffer fighting against those nasty post-war tanks ever again?

Oh boi, I can't wait to utterly rampage through any opposition my enemy could muster.

And best of all, they'll have a really hard time to pen me even with gold, what more could I wish for?

 

Also, the Type 5 Medium tank Chi-Ri is currently a tier 7 and in no way even close to the Type 5 Heavy. It gets even more ridiculous when I throw in the Type 5 Light tank Ke-Ho which is a tier 4! And they're all the same production year.

 

TL;DR: yeah, bad idea.







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