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[HassenderZerhacker]

let's suppose a 3000 WN8 player doesn't platoon and doesn't buy premium tanks... what winrate could that player possibly sustain playing randoms?

Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 19 March 2018 - 03:20 PM.

[HundeWurst]

Thats a weird question. Well if that said person is willing to grind 10 hours a day credits on tier 6 or whatever, so he can play just like a player with premium stuff you got your answer.

 

Also its about the tanks and the tiers you play. The difference between a TD shooting standard and premium rounds is much smaller than i.e. a light tank.

[L4NDe]

Depends if he is just padding wn8 or actually playing to win. 60% should be achiveable.

[Simeon85]

Angel of Awe's free to play experiment had an above 60% WR IIRC. 

[TheWarrener]

Even though I'm no unicum I've noticed a considerable drop in my performance since I stated playing f2p. Not because of lack of premium ammo but lack of ability to skip garbage tanks and stock grinds.

Edited by TheWarrener, 20 March 2018 - 12:40 PM.

[Simeon85]

Hell I think Milki managed high 50's win rates in tanks with no equipment, no consumables, only standard ammo and credit trained crews. 

Edited by Simeon85, 19 March 2018 - 03:29 PM.

[somegras]

Probably 60-65%, depending on the tank.

[Sfinski]

60 would be my guess. Dont know what prwm tanks have to do with it. I make profit at t10 most of the tanks. 

[Kozzy]

Simeon85, on 19 March 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

Angel of Awe's free to play experiment had an above 60% WR IIRC. 

 

It was 3 years ago, in a different meta, but I think it is still semi-relavant today:

 

http://forum.worldof...nished/#topmost

 

Basically really good players are still really good without having to spend a single penny.  I would love to see a couple of unicums doing a similar experiment in the current MM situation but I feel the result would be pretty much the same 3000+WN8 and 60%+WR.

[Cobra6]

Simeon85, on 19 March 2018 - 02:27 PM, said:

Angel of Awe's free to play experiment had an above 60% WR IIRC. 

 

Which was years ago and premium ammo was far less compulsory then than it is now in the higher tiers with all the overbuffed BS armour.

 

I'd like to see that experiment repeated in the current version of the game.

 

Cobra 6

[Simeon85]

Kozzy, on 19 March 2018 - 03:39 PM, said:

 

It was 3 years ago, in a different meta, but I think it is still semi-relavant today:

 

http://forum.worldof...nished/#topmost

 

Basically really good players are still really good without having to spend a single penny.  I would love to see a couple of unicums doing a similar experiment in the current MM situation but I feel the result would be pretty much the same 3000+WN8 and 60%+WR.

 

Cobra6, on 19 March 2018 - 03:45 PM, said:

 

Which was years ago and premium ammo was far less compulsory then than it is now in the higher tiers with all the overbuffed BS armour.

 

I'd like to see that experiment repeated in the current version of the game.

 

Cobra 6

 

He played T-54 though which has crap pen whatever the meta. Right tank choice I think would be key at higher tiers, something like a tier 9 med with high enough standard pen would work, like the PTA or AMX 30. 

 

Plus OP doesn't specify tier, I reckon 70% WR is achievable with something like the M4 derp just firing HE. 

 

You could also just go look at any Super Uni with enough games in the Cent 7/1 as that tank has no high pen premium round.  Wundewurst as a quick example still has 65% WR from 125 games in it. 

 

Didn't Orzy also do a week without premium ammo fairly recently, and then there is Foch who barely fires a premium who is 64% overall WR and most of the time plays solo. 

Edited by Simeon85, 19 March 2018 - 03:53 PM.

[HassenderZerhacker]

an additional question could be if the winrate is constant over tiers, or is it 70% at tier 3 and 60% at tier 8

[Kozzy]

Cobra6, on 19 March 2018 - 02:45 PM, said:

 

Which was years ago and premium ammo was far less compulsory then than it is now in the higher tiers with all the overbuffed BS armour.

 

I'd like to see that experiment repeated in the current version of the game.

 

Cobra 6

 

You not confident a unicum couldn't manage, say 3kWN8 and 60%WR during a 1,000 game grind to tier 10? (without premium time/ammo).

 

What would you expect to be able to manage yourself under such conditions?

 

Simeon85, on 19 March 2018 - 02:49 PM, said:

 

He played T-54 though which has crap pen whatever the meta.

 

Right tank choice I think would be key at higher tiers, something like a tier 9 med with high enough standard pen would work, like the PTA or AMX 30. 

 

Plus OP doesn't specify tier, I reckon 70% WR is achievable with something like the M4 derp just firing HE. 

 

Oh I agree, and believe the results would be largely the same.  To make it a good test though I feel the experiment needs to be to grind an entire line 1-10.

 

HassenderZerhacker, on 19 March 2018 - 02:50 PM, said:

an additional question could be if the winrate is constant over tiers, or is it 70% at tier 3 and 60% at tier 8

 

I would take the average of the whole grind to be a reasonable measure.  How do you feel you would do in such a test?

 

 

[K_A]

Simeon85, on 19 March 2018 - 02:49 PM, said:

 

 

He played T-54 though which has crap pen whatever the meta. Right tank choice I think would be key at higher tiers, something like a tier 9 med with high enough standard pen would work, like the PTA or AMX 30. 

 

Plus OP doesn't specify tier, I reckon 70% WR is achievable with something like the M4 derp just firing HE. 

 

You could also just go look at any Super Uni with enough games in the Cent 7/1 as that tank has no high pen premium round.  Wundewurst as a quick example still has 65% WR from 125 games in it. 

 

Didn't Orzy also do a week without premium ammo fairly recently, and then there is Foch who barely fires a premium who is 64% overall WR and most of the time plays solo. 

 

Add to that, he played the T-54 stock, which in any meta is like sticking forks into your eyes and then doing a paceplant into a vat full of salt and hot sauce.

[Simeon85]

Oh and most of Shish's recent results will be without gold for most tanks. He has 66% WR over the last 30 days with 4k WN8. 

 

Not sure how you can look at the results of recently played tanks on the stats sites but his recent Cent AX of E50M games would be premium ammo free, plus he has 4.2k DPG in the 268v4 and 68% WR and only carries the one gold shell. (but that tank is OP)

 

K_A, on 19 March 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

 

Add to that, he played the T-54 stock, which in any meta is like sticking forks into your eyes and then doing a paceplant into a vat full of salt and hot sauce.

 

 

Yep with the old T-44 gun as well, which had like 175 pen at the time. 

Edited by Simeon85, 19 March 2018 - 03:59 PM.

[K_A]

Simeon85, on 19 March 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

Oh and most of Shish's recent results will be without gold for most tanks. He has 66% WR over the last 30 days with 4k WN8. 

 

Not sure how you can look at the results of recently played tanks on the stats sites but his recent Cent AX of E50M games would be premium ammo free, plus he has 4.2k DPG in the 268v4 and 68% WR and only carries the one gold shell. (but that tank is OP)

 

Shish does toon a lot, though, which will have a very positive impact considering the types of players he platoons with.

[Simeon85]

K_A, on 19 March 2018 - 04:01 PM, said:

 

Shish does toon a lot, though, which will have a very positive impact considering the types of players he platoons with.

 

Yeh, but like 4k DPGs in a tier 10 are still going to get you a pretty high WR in most cases, or at least 4k by a player like Shish who is going to be active and not just redlining. 

 

But basically since this video he is played sans gold -

 

[vixu]

HassenderZerhacker, on 19 March 2018 - 03:20 PM, said:

let's suppose a 3000 WN8 player doesn't platoon and doesn't buy premium tanks... what winrate could that player possibly sustain playing randoms?

 

highly depends on what tank or PoS he/she plays. On some tanks I have 55+-60+ wr with considerable battle count. on others 40-.  And I am an average player. 

[Cobra6]

K_A, on 19 March 2018 - 02:55 PM, said:

 

Add to that, he played the T-54 stock, which in any meta is like sticking forks into your eyes and then doing a paceplant into a vat full of salt and hot sauce.

 

Not really, you can mount everything on the T-54 stock suspension.

Try playing the E-50 stock XD

 

Cobra 6

[evilchaosmonkey]

Short answer is better than a 48% player (and me).

 

100 games as a sample size just ain't enough.

 

I've ground stock tanks (without gold and solo) and it wasn't until 150+ games that suddenly things went south from 65% win rates down to 51% win rates.  That is from brilliance (IMO) to just my normal average.

Sadly, some of my favourite tanks went that way never to be played again. 

 

The cause could be me playing more aggressive and just being plain pants at the game full stop.  Either way easy to  achieve more than me and for longer.