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Legionar_2000 #21 Posted 19 March 2018 - 05:05 PM

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3000 WN8 player...thats kind of a wide range. If thats a low tier padded reroll, than its a lot different than a player who is playing tier10s for 3k DPG, and than still, there is the question whether the 3k DPG player goes full gold, big consumables, improved equipment for getting the 3k, or not, because its still not the same, even though you will never spot it by just looking at his stats.

My guess would be that an average player, who is not padding on purpose to get 3k recent, would have ~70% WR in tiers 1-3, ~65% in tier 4-7, and in higher tiers it should be around 60%. Probably under 60% playing tier8 and tier10, because of the current MM system, and a bit over 60% playing in tier9 tanks, as those are highly favoured nowadays.

But it would depend as I mentioned on the player, on the tank used, and there still would be a question what is a high enough amount of games to get to a conclusion. 



LordMuffin #22 Posted 19 March 2018 - 05:23 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 19 March 2018 - 03:20 PM, said:

let's suppose a 3000 WN8 player doesn't platoon and doesn't buy premium tanks... what winrate could that player possibly sustain playing randoms?

Since I am a free to play player over the last year, and I can sustain like 60-61% WR, I guess for good players, you can get higher.

Mostly solo of course. 

 

View PostKozzy, on 19 March 2018 - 03:53 PM, said:

 

You not confident a unicum couldn't manage, say 3kWN8 and 60%WR during a 1,000 game grind to tier 10? (without premium time/ammo).

 

What would you expect to be able to manage yourself under such conditions?

 

 

Oh I agree, and believe the results would be largely the same.  To make it a good test though I feel the experiment needs to be to grind an entire line 1-10.

 

 

I would take the average of the whole grind to be a reasonable measure.  How do you feel you would do in such a test?

 

 

I also have a YOLO account  (ZlatanArKung)

It have like 57-58% WR with no premium tanks and no money on it.

 

Just remember that it was a YOLO account, which means I didn't always play to win, but more to try and achieve highest xp/min and credit/min and thus died fairly early in many games.

 

I think it is from january 2016 or 2017.



And no, there is no chance I will do this experiment unless someone pay me real cash for it.
 
 

Balc0ra #23 Posted 19 March 2018 - 05:36 PM

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View PostSimeon85, on 19 March 2018 - 03:49 PM, said:

 

 

He played T-54 though which has crap pen whatever the meta. Right tank choice I think would be key at higher tiers, something like a tier 9 med with high enough standard pen would work, like the PTA or AMX 30. 

 

 

I was just gonna say. He used the 201 pen gun. That was a HEAT spamming gun even before the super heavy meta. 



HassenderZerhacker #24 Posted 19 March 2018 - 05:45 PM

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View PostKozzy, on 19 March 2018 - 03:53 PM, said:

I would take the average of the whole grind to be a reasonable measure.  How do you feel you would do in such a test?

 

I know I play an average of 2500 to 3000 WN8 in low tiers - but the point is the winrate. I feel WN8 is a sustainable rating, while the winrate is too team-dependent, and thus too random to be considered sustainable.

 



SABAOTH #25 Posted 19 March 2018 - 05:47 PM

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View PostK_A, on 19 March 2018 - 03:55 PM, said:

 

Add to that, he played the T-54 stock, which in any meta is like sticking forks into your eyes and then doing a paceplant into a vat full of salt and hot sauce.

 

Sounds interesting... I am going to try it

AdzTownstrike #26 Posted 19 March 2018 - 06:09 PM

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These were some of the winrates i managed not firing a single gold round and non platooning and stock grind. LTG was at 80% too but had a bad run at the end :( . I Would say tier 6:80% Tier 7 75% tier 8 65% Tier 9 65% tier 10 60% without gold for the best of the best. But it really depends on the tank...



Corruption_Clan #27 Posted 19 March 2018 - 06:11 PM

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60%.

 

I am 100% f2p and i am at 50.9%

 

End of the day though, if your teams pure dog crap... then yeh


Edited by Corruption_Clan, 19 March 2018 - 06:11 PM.


dimethylcadmium #28 Posted 19 March 2018 - 06:13 PM

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Mine is around 61-62%, easily higher when sealclubbing


Edited by dimethylcadmium, 19 March 2018 - 06:16 PM.


Dava_117 #29 Posted 19 March 2018 - 08:47 PM

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Well, I'm a complete F2P player, not an unicum, but an avarage player with a rather good knowkedge of game mechanics. 

My WR is around 52%, slowly but steadily increasing. Some of my tanks have really good WR: ~56% in T-150, 60% in KV-2, 54% in KV-4, ~60% in Tiger1. Sometimes I platoon, but most of my battles are fought in solo, so I can say that with the right tank, you can reach good WR even as F2P.



D4wiD3K #30 Posted 19 March 2018 - 09:02 PM

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I wouldn't play at all if I had to go F2P from the scratch. Can't even imagine the agony of grinding credits and training crews with tier 5 regular tanks while getting super slow XP on the grinds. One bad grind tank would make me uninstall. I've seen some players play completely F2P but for me that would never be an option.

 

It doesn't matter how good you are, free-to-play players are in a massive disadvantage now in 2018. In the past it may have been possible to be a fairly competitive F2P player but in 2018 it's just not possible. A player who would reach 3k WN8 as F2P at high tiers without padding would probably record over 4k with a premium account and a few premium tanks. That's World of Tanks in 2018. Of course tank selection plays a big role here and especially in low tiers it's super easy to statpad even without any premium ammo but I don't think low tiers can be considered a meter of skill at all.

 

In my opinion for any grown man/woman with any income running premium and buying an occasional premium tank is far too cheap to even consider going F2P if any part of the player's fun depends on being useful. 


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JocMeister #31 Posted 19 March 2018 - 09:46 PM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 19 March 2018 - 05:45 PM, said:

 

I know I play an average of 2500 to 3000 WN8 in low tiers. 

 

 

No you don´t. More like 1000-1500.

 

 


Edited by JocMeister, 20 March 2018 - 06:07 AM.


Lil_Dimitry #32 Posted 19 March 2018 - 10:54 PM

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http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/571030-a-world-of-tanks-short-story-t-10-former-iosef-stalin-numero-8-funtimes/page__fromsearch__1

 

 

   https://wot-life.com/eu/player/Lil_Dimitry-524158039


 

 

Those are the final stats of a t-10 played with no repkit, no fire extinguisher, no prem shells fired and only with a vstab (FROM STOCK). Keep in mind that was played aprox 2 years ago and I was probably 60-70% of the player I am right now.

 

    People who think that good stats are directly linked to shooting full prem or hacking is delusional to say the least.



HassenderZerhacker #33 Posted 20 March 2018 - 06:24 AM

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View PostJocMeister, on 19 March 2018 - 09:46 PM, said:

 

No you don´t. More like 1000-1500.

 

 

 

I haven't played tier 3 on this account for ages you genius... plus I would of course choose good tanks, not grinds...


Edited by HassenderZerhacker, 20 March 2018 - 06:25 AM.


JocMeister #34 Posted 20 March 2018 - 07:37 AM

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 20 March 2018 - 06:24 AM, said:

 

I haven't played tier 3 on this account for ages you genius... plus I would of course choose good tanks, not grinds...

 

Those stats are from your last 90 days you genius. Or are you telling me you only consider tier 1-3 "low tiers"?

 

T34-85M and Type 64 are clearly awful tanks. Awful...And that OI grind man.... 231 games and you are still grinding. Must be a really bad grind for you....

 

 


Edited by JocMeister, 20 March 2018 - 09:55 AM.


Draz_H #35 Posted 20 March 2018 - 08:57 AM

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View PostKozzy, on 19 March 2018 - 02:39 PM, said:

 

It was 3 years ago, in a different meta, but I think it is still semi-relavant today:

 

http://forum.worldof...nished/#topmost

 

Basically really good players are still really good without having to spend a single penny.  I would love to see a couple of unicums doing a similar experiment in the current MM situation but I feel the result would be pretty much the same 3000+WN8 and 60%+WR.

 

:thinking: I'll pass the message to my brother.



fwhaatpiraat #36 Posted 20 March 2018 - 09:02 AM

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What is a f2p player? Somebody that never spent a single penny to the game? Somebody that has not a single premium tank (gifted or won), that never uses premium ammo or consumables, that has no premium account?

spuriousmonkey #37 Posted 20 March 2018 - 09:43 AM

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F2P players are clearly better than us.

Draz_H #38 Posted 20 March 2018 - 10:02 AM

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View Postspuriousmonkey, on 20 March 2018 - 08:43 AM, said:

F2P players are clearly better than us.

 

They have the moral highground which is worth more than anything in this game.

wingcomstriker #39 Posted 20 March 2018 - 10:13 AM

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View PostDraz_H, on 20 March 2018 - 09:02 AM, said:

 

They have the moral highground which is worth more than anything in this game.

 

T R I G G E R 



Draz_H #40 Posted 20 March 2018 - 10:18 AM

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F2P are free to point the finger at you. They can also blame any type of premium thingy in this game for their failure. Touche!




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