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jabster #41 Posted 20 March 2018 - 10:24 AM

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View PostDraz_H, on 20 March 2018 - 09:18 AM, said:

F2P are free to point the finger at you. They can also blame any type of premium thingy in this game for their failure. Touche!

 

Well that’s my excuse and I’m sticking to it. Personally I think platoons should only be open to premium account holders so I can blame that as well.

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new pro stat:

 

WN8 divided by (Euros put in game)



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View Postspuriousmonkey, on 20 March 2018 - 09:24 AM, said:

new pro stat:

 

WN8 divided by (Euros put in game)

 

That should have put that in as a reason for Britexit.

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View PostJocMeister, on 20 March 2018 - 07:37 AM, said:

Those stats are from your last 90 days you genius. Or are you telling me you only consider tier 1-3 "low tiers"?

 

T34-85M and Type 64 are clearly awful tanks. Awful...And that OI grind man.... 231 games and you are still grinding. Must be a really bad grind for you....

 

low tier IMO stops at tier 4. we could argue over tier 5, but tier 6 is definitely mid tier.

 

my opinion:

1-4 low tier

5-7 mid tier

8-10 high tier

 

maybe I will play some in a tier 3 to prove my point to you ?

 

 

View Postfwhaatpiraat, on 20 March 2018 - 09:02 AM, said:

What is a f2p player? Somebody that never spent a single penny to the game? Somebody that has not a single premium tank (gifted or won), that never uses premium ammo or consumables, that has no premium account?

 

a F2P player is someone who doesn't spend real money on the game, but is free to use premium ammo and premium consumables. IMO, F2P somehow balances the use of premium ammo - if a F2P player was spamming gold, he would run out of credits rapidly.

Players using premium time and premium tanks rarely have this problem and can spam gold indefinitely, except if they are very bad players.


 

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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 20 March 2018 - 10:44 AM, said:

 

low tier IMO stops at tier 4. we could argue over tier 5, but tier 6 is definitely mid tier.

 

my opinion:

1-4 low tier

5-7 mid tier

8-10 high tier

 

maybe I will play some in a tier 3 to prove my point to you ?

 

 

Please do that. It will be enlightening for you.

 

PS. 1-6 low tier.

7-8 mid tier.

9-10 high tiers.



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View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 19 March 2018 - 04:45 PM, said:

 

I know I play an average of 2500 to 3000 WN8 in low tiers - but the point is the winrate. I feel WN8 is a sustainable rating, while the winrate is too team-dependent, and thus too random to be considered sustainable.

 

 

View PostHassenderZerhacker, on 20 March 2018 - 05:24 AM, said:

 

I haven't played tier 3 on this account for ages you genius... plus I would of course choose good tanks, not grinds...

 

The point of the experiment that I linked to was NOT for try-harding the easy mode tanks but to work out the potential for a player grinding an entire tree to T10, which is WAY more relevant to the premise of whether or not a unicum could sustain their stats without any premium time/gold.  If they weren't restricted in anyway then I think it is pretty obvious they could manage ludicrous stats by min-maxing their F2P opportunities (T67 etc). 

 

Also, you don't think good players influence their own win rate?

 

You should try it, select a tank line and play it to T10 without any premium time/gold/ammo spending real money etc and then post the results.

 

View PostDraz_H, on 20 March 2018 - 07:57 AM, said:

 

:thinking: I'll pass the message to my brother.

 

Do it!  I remember AngelOfAwe's thread caused quite a stir and shut up many a yellow bob who insisted good stats could only be achieved by paying real money.


Edited by Kozzy, 20 March 2018 - 11:12 AM.


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View PostSfinski, on 19 March 2018 - 02:34 PM, said:

60 would be my guess. Dont know what prwm tanks have to do with it. I make profit at t10 most of the tanks. 

 

doubt so when playing without prem. account. the income increase of 50% of the premium acc makes that for you if at all.

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View PostKozzy, on 20 March 2018 - 10:10 AM, said:

 

Do it!  I remember AngelOfAwe's thread caused quite a stir and shut up many a yellow bob who insisted good stats could only be achieved by paying real money.

 

I believe it also spawned the idea that the game is rigged but the rigging doesn’t kick in until one thousand battles, which was nice. 



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View Postjabster, on 20 March 2018 - 10:16 AM, said:

 

I believe it also spawned the idea that the game is rigged but the rigging doesn’t kick in until one thousand battles, which was nice. 

 

Well, when one reason gets squashed the players who aren't happy with their record need to put up more, ever increasingly extravagant, reasons for their apparent lack of prowess in a video game.  The whole 'WG is picking on me' thing is one of the more bizarre examples.

 

View Posttankqull, on 20 March 2018 - 10:16 AM, said:

 

doubt so when playing without prem. account. the income increase of 50% of the premium acc makes that for you if at all.

 

Good players miss (or fail to pen) fewer shots, die less often and win more, which helps sustain their economy.  Also, if they aren't making credits in T10 they may find a sweet spot for grinding credits (such as T7 light tanks) which will then subsidise higher tier play anyway.

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View PostKozzy, on 20 March 2018 - 11:10 AM, said:

 

 

Do it!  I remember AngelOfAwe's thread caused quite a stir and shut up many a yellow bob who insisted good stats could only be achieved by paying real money.

 

That thread could do with being revived I think. 



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I could do an experiment, make a new account, dont buy anything on it and grind to tier 10.
And as a control do the same with an account where i buy a premium account and tank.
 

 

Question is if i can bring myself to endure the pain to grind from tier 1-10 with stock tanks and no free xp.


Edited by brumbarr, 20 March 2018 - 12:06 PM.


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View Postbrumbarr, on 20 March 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

I could do an experiment, make a new account, dont buy anything on it and grind to tier 10.
And as a control do the same with an account where i buy a premium account and tank.
 

 

Question is if i can bring myself to endure the pain to grind from tier 1-10 with stock tanks and no free xp.

 

no need to do so - there are enough unicums who have done these kind of projects, all have one in common they canceld that project at t8 as the credit income was no longer bearable to sustain their needs after 9.18.

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View Posttankqull, on 20 March 2018 - 12:13 PM, said:

 

no need to do so - there are enough unicums who have done these kind of projects, all have one in common they canceld that project at t8 as the credit income was no longer bearable to sustain their needs after 9.18.

I would indeed expect it to become very frustrating after t8. 

 

Although i did get my first tier 10 before i started paying anything. 

 

Any links to those experiments?


Edited by brumbarr, 20 March 2018 - 12:22 PM.


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View Posttankqull, on 20 March 2018 - 11:13 AM, said:

 

no need to do so - there are enough unicums who have done these kind of projects, all have one in common they canceld that project at t8 as the credit income was no longer bearable to sustain their needs after 9.18.

 

Got any tasty sauce for these 'projects'?

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View PostJocMeister, on 20 March 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

 

Please do that. It will be enlightening for you.

 

PS. 1-6 low tier.

7-8 mid tier.

9-10 high tiers.

 

How is Tier 8 mid tier when you are fighting Tier 9 and 10 tanks every time you press battle? Makes no sense. Tier 8 used to be mid tier, back in the days when you could actually see tier 6 and 7 tanks more than once in 25 games.

 

With that being said, Tier 9/10 is easier to play than Tier 8, especially if one is a good player, that way you can pull your own weight in Full Tier 10 games and simply rape anything when you get a 3/5/7 template. Oh the horrors of pubstomping tier 8 shietwagons in a obj 140, it truly is terrible for the obj 140 driver.


Edited by dimethylcadmium, 20 March 2018 - 12:57 PM.


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60-65 with that wn8




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View Postbrumbarr, on 20 March 2018 - 11:56 AM, said:

I could do an experiment, make a new account, dont buy anything on it and grind to tier 10.
And as a control do the same with an account where i buy a premium account and tank.
 

 

Question is if i can bring myself to endure the pain to grind from tier 1-10 with stock tanks and no free xp.

 

I for one would like to see how you get on. 

 

Tempting to give it a go myself to be honest but I no longer have the time to play. BUT I'm currently not putting any money into the game. That said I wouldn't have a baseline to compare it against. 

 

Time is the issue for me on this I think. Plus I'm no Unicum, not by some margin.


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View Postbrumbarr, on 20 March 2018 - 10:56 AM, said:

I could do an experiment, make a new account, dont buy anything on it and grind to tier 10.
And as a control do the same with an account where i buy a premium account and tank.
 

 

Question is if i can bring myself to endure the pain to grind from tier 1-10 with stock tanks and no free xp.

 

Well if you have time this would be great experiment. But i think i would throw my monitor through window if i tried this,no money,no free xp,stock crews...i wouldnt last long :)



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View PostJocMeister, on 20 March 2018 - 11:02 AM, said:

 

Please do that. It will be enlightening for you.

 

PS. 1-6 low tier.

7-8 mid tier.

9-10 high tiers.

 

hahaha

 

so there are 6 low tiers and 2 mid tiers and 2 high tiers ?

 

nope man



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View PostKozzy, on 20 March 2018 - 11:10 AM, said:

 

 

The point of the experiment that I linked to was NOT for try-harding the easy mode tanks but to work out the potential for a player grinding an entire tree to T10, which is WAY more relevant to the premise of whether or not a unicum could sustain their stats without any premium time/gold.  If they weren't restricted in anyway then I think it is pretty obvious they could manage ludicrous stats by min-maxing their F2P opportunities (T67 etc). 

 

Also, you don't think good players influence their own win rate?

 

You should try it, select a tank line and play it to T10 without any premium time/gold/ammo spending real money etc and then post the results.

 

grinding up to tier 10 would be way too painful and I don't have enough time on my hands for that, my regular account already has a lot of tank lines that are "under construction".

 

Of course I do think players, all players, influence their winrate.

My question was about "sustainable", i.e. can a winrate of 60 or 65% be sustained up to tier 10?

 

I would expect winrates to diminish as we move up tiers. The reason is simple, a 3000 WN8 player is worth between 5 to 10 enemy bobs on tier 3, but at tier 10 most enemies have WN8 between 1500 and 2000, so mechanically, the 3000 WN8 player has less influence on the outcome of the game. Other factors are mobility related to map size, view ranges and aim times which make influencing the game even more difficult at high tiers.






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