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unrealname #1 Posted 19 March 2018 - 09:21 PM

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what the title says, if anyone is interested



hasnainrakha57 #2 Posted 19 March 2018 - 09:31 PM

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Ya that heavy autoloader they said about it one year ago this thing sacrifice something for better armour

unrealname #3 Posted 19 March 2018 - 09:35 PM

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well yeah its kind of slow, but has better gun stats overall than 50 100, so might be worth it

250swb #4 Posted 19 March 2018 - 11:04 PM

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Yes, QB has been playing it today on an extra live stream. I don't think he was impressed too much but it wasn't a realistic match up anyway. He was playing it with a four skill crew and said 'this is how it should be played, so that's how I will play it', but then said it would be a good crew trainer for the 50B, talk about hypocrisy and having your (privileged) slice of cake and eat it. 

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lnfernaI #5 Posted 20 March 2018 - 06:14 AM

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Oh i must have missed this. 

TankkiPoju #6 Posted 20 March 2018 - 07:15 AM

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View Post250swb, on 19 March 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

Yes, QB has been playing it today on an extra live stream. I don't think he was impressed too much but it wasn't a realistic match up anyway. He was playing it with a four skill crew and said 'this is how it should be played, so that's how I will play it', but then said it would be a good crew trainer for the 50B, talk about hypocrisy and having your (privileged) slice of cake and eat it. 

 

He was right though. If you don't have a 3-4 crew skill in tier 10 tank, you are doing it wrong. You can just complement that more with a premium tank, so you can train crew further and make credits.

 



Simeon85 #7 Posted 20 March 2018 - 08:43 AM

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View Post250swb, on 19 March 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

Yes, QB has been playing it today on an extra live stream. I don't think he was impressed too much but it wasn't a realistic match up anyway. He was playing it with a four skill crew and said 'this is how it should be played, so that's how I will play it', but then said it would be a good crew trainer for the 50B, talk about hypocrisy and having your (privileged) slice of cake and eat it. 

 

That is kind of the point though of premiums, to train up your good crews, a lot of people using this tank will be putting 3-5 skill 50B crews in them, if you want to train up a new crew then it's better doing it in lower tiers or lower tier premiums (which give more XP) as at that level crews are less important.

 

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If it's the tank currently on tanks.gg then it looks solid to me because it's a 50100 that trades mobility for gun handling, DPM and some armour. 



250swb #8 Posted 20 March 2018 - 09:20 AM

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View PostSimeon85, on 20 March 2018 - 07:43 AM, said:

 

That is kind of the point though of premiums, to train up your good crews, a lot of people using this tank will be putting 3-5 skill 50B crews in them, if you want to train up a new crew then it's better doing it in lower tiers or lower tier premiums (which give more XP) as at that level crews are less important.

 

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If it's the tank currently on tanks.gg then it looks solid to me because it's a 50100 that trades mobility for gun handling, DPM and some armour. 

 

Put a five skill crew in a tier VIII premium, a great idea, how many battles before the crew increases their skill any significant percentage? Seriously, you are going to play that many in a poopy tank?

 

The point about QB refusing to play it with a potato crew, after a request on stream, is probably due to WG embargoing a change in use of his press account access to the tank, but the disjoint comes because not many people in the scheme of things will be training their four skill 50B crew, no matter how great an idea it is. Most players buying this tank will not already have good crews, they will not even have a 50B, they may not even have started on French tanks. That is the majority for whom 'reviews' become meaningless when 'reviewers' only look at the best and not the worst. Even Jeremy Clarkson will criticise the worlds most expensive hyper-car if it he can't fit inside it, but WG make sure reviewers are as compliant as possible when making new cash cows look good. 



imendars #9 Posted 20 March 2018 - 09:35 AM

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View Post250swb, on 20 March 2018 - 11:20 AM, said:

 

Put a five skill crew in a tier VIII premium, a great idea, how many battles before the crew increases their skill any significant percentage? Seriously, you are going to play that many in a poopy tank?

 

The point about QB refusing to play it with a potato crew, after a request on stream, is probably due to WG embargoing a change in use of his press account access to the tank, but the disjoint comes because not many people in the scheme of things will be training their four skill 50B crew, no matter how great an idea it is. Most players buying this tank will not already have good crews, they will not even have a 50B, they may not even have started on French tanks. That is the majority for whom 'reviews' become meaningless when 'reviewers' only look at the best and not the worst. Even Jeremy Clarkson will criticise the worlds most expensive hyper-car if it he can't fit inside it, but WG make sure reviewers are as compliant as possible when making new cash cows look good. 

 

Very much true.

Thats why we have to take most of that with a grain of salt.

But still, that tank does look good.

An interesting alteration from AMX 50 100 and Lorrane.

Reload as fast as Lorane, but 5 bullets. Good aim time, best intra clip reload of all 3. Armor protects from most meds if angled and yada yada. HE wont delete it.

But all premium rounds will probly go through everywhre. So it having worse speed can be a problem.



CircleOfSorrow #10 Posted 20 March 2018 - 09:46 AM

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I was going to get a liberté, but this looks better.

imendars #11 Posted 20 March 2018 - 09:54 AM

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View PostCircleOfSorrow, on 20 March 2018 - 11:46 AM, said:

I was going to get a liberté, but this looks better.

 

So much this.

 

And Liberte is a complicated animal. On one hand IS3 with regular ammo damages me while i'm angled in middle (not in angled corners). On other hand i fail to do the same on other Libertes with gold.......

 

 

EDIT: I hope this thing PRINTS credits.


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Simeon85 #12 Posted 20 March 2018 - 10:56 AM

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View Post250swb, on 20 March 2018 - 09:20 AM, said:

 

Put a five skill crew in a tier VIII premium, a great idea, how many battles before the crew increases their skill any significant percentage? Seriously, you are going to play that many in a poopy tank?

 

The point about QB refusing to play it with a potato crew, after a request on stream, is probably due to WG embargoing a change in use of his press account access to the tank, but the disjoint comes because not many people in the scheme of things will be training their four skill 50B crew, no matter how great an idea it is. Most players buying this tank will not already have good crews, they will not even have a 50B, they may not even have started on French tanks. That is the majority for whom 'reviews' become meaningless when 'reviewers' only look at the best and not the worst. Even Jeremy Clarkson will criticise the worlds most expensive hyper-car if it he can't fit inside it, but WG make sure reviewers are as compliant as possible when making new cash cows look good. 

 

If people are doing that they probably shouldn't be playing a tier 8 premium in the first place, especially if they have no experience of the line. 

 

And it's a heavy tank, once you go past 3 skills most of the others add little to the tank, sixth, repairs, BIA, that's about it for heavies as they don't need camo, view range is a nice bonus, but overall you'll get more from food and optics than you will from those crew skills, so him playing it with a 5 skill crew is in reality not going to make a huge difference. 

 

Reviewers should present the tank as it should be played, not how the idiot masses are going to play it. 

 

Plus everyone is able to look at the tank in the garage or tanks.gg with whatever set up they want.  Reviewing a new premium with a stock crew just validates the stupid decision making of those players, streamers and youtubers should be showing it how it is supposed to be done, not encouraging bad decisions. 


Edited by Simeon85, 20 March 2018 - 10:58 AM.


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View Postimendars, on 20 March 2018 - 08:54 AM, said:

 

So much this.

 

And Liberte is a complicated animal. On one hand IS3 with regular ammo damages me while i'm angled in middle (not in angled corners). On other hand i fail to do the same on other Libertes with gold.......

 

 

EDIT: I hope this thing PRINTS credits.

 

well the Lorr is let down by the shell cost - It's very rare that I'm interested in spending money on this game. if it looks goo di might as it suits my playstyle

Cobra6 #14 Posted 20 March 2018 - 11:15 AM

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Hmmm I wonder what this effectively has over the Lorraine, if it's slower it just because an easier target so it needs armour to compensate.

 

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View PostSimeon85, on 20 March 2018 - 07:43 AM, said:

If it's the tank currently on tanks.gg then it looks solid to me because it's a 50100 that trades mobility for gun handling, DPM and some armour. 

 

Nvm.

 

View PostCobra6, on 20 March 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

Hmmm I wonder what this effectively has over the Lorraine, if it's slower it just because an easier target so it needs armour to compensate.

 

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It has 0.25sec better intra-clip reload, same clip reload with 1 more shell, better aiming time and -10 gun depression as well as more hitpoints so it's much better at trading than Lorraine.

 

It does however have problems with that trash mobility, trash view range and no camo as well as kind of of bad base accuracy. Lorraine already has a quite derpy gun and the 0.03 hit on the turret traverse stabilization is going to hurt.


I don't think it'll be better than Lorraine, it will just be a better yolo autoloader for the bots.


 

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as an autoloader lover i was very interested into thins thing....after looking at some previews and gameplay not anymore. To slow, no armor, 50-100 looks way better not to mention lorr40t

just put on sales 13 57 :D

 



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View PostPauI, on 20 March 2018 - 10:31 AM, said:

as an autoloader lover i was very interested into thins thing....after looking at some previews and gameplay not anymore. To slow, no armor, 50-100 looks way better not to mention lorr40t

just put on sales 13 57 :D

 

 

I seriously doubt that 50 100 is better than the Somua. 2.25 vs. 2.73 intra-clip reload is a huge deal. Plus 0.6sec aim time and noticeably better stabilization are also worth more than 0.03 accuracy. The 6-clip of 50 100 is unpractical anyway, it's too big in nearly all situations and when you factor in the bad gun handling and the long intra-clip it's hardly a good tank anymore. I think the Somua is just better at the same role.


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It seems to have the best auto loader of the frenchies.
Mobility similar to AMX 65t.

OK hull, can angle up to 220 effective.

But the whole turret is a weakspot with large parts of 130mm armour, and highest being 200mm effective.

So I would say this one is rather bad due to the combination of bad mobility and bad armour.

The gun is decent, but not good enough to make up for it, and the bad mobility makes it hard to put the autoloader to good use.

 

For good players, I think both Lorr and 50 100 are better choice.


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View PostLordMuffin, on 20 March 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

It seems to have the best auto loader of the frenchies.
Mobility similar to AMX 65t.

OK hull, can angle up to 220 effective.

But the whole turret is a weakspot with large parts of 130mm armour, and highest being 200mm effective.

So I would say this one is rather bad due to the combination of bad mobility and bad armour.

The gun is decent, but not good enough to make up for it, and the bad mobility makes it hard to put the autoloader to good use.

 

For good players, I think both Lorr and 50 100 are better choice.

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View PostPauI, on 20 March 2018 - 01:31 PM, said:

as an autoloader lover i was very interested into thins thing....after looking at some previews and gameplay not anymore. To slow, no armor, 50-100 looks way better not to mention lorr40t

just put on sales 13 57 :D

 

 

New prem have 1 less bullet, but better reload (17s i think). How often do we auto loaders actually shoot out all bullets? so this feels better.

It dumps those bullets faster, 0.38 i think is default accuracy for IS3. So its not bad.

Armor prevents scouts and meds from murdering you easily. Also some surprise bounces when enemy panics or RNG puts bullet in a wrong angle.

So... its not that bad. Duno. Will investigate further. :)






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