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Search_Warrant #1 Posted 19 March 2018 - 09:32 PM

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Why are only mediums allowed 190+ pen facing tier 10? there are too many 175pen gimp lights that struggle to go threw other medium tanks fronts in there own tier let alone heavy tanks side armor! just had a match where a 430 just circled on the spot and i could not get to his side. fullspeed turning nothing would work. im using food/bia/vents and i cant get to his side. nothing worked. he killed me and there was nothing i could do.

 

Fix LT's god dammit. they suck.



unrealname #2 Posted 19 March 2018 - 09:37 PM

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so start with tier 10 lts  first then, only tier 10 light tanks get horrible pen drop over distance

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View Postunrealname, on 19 March 2018 - 08:37 PM, said:

so start with tier 10 lts  first then, only tier 10 light tanks get horrible pen drop over distance

 

Only thing wrong with them is everything... they need more than a pen buff.

Agent_327 #4 Posted 19 March 2018 - 09:49 PM

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Because of balance and because of realism. Balance because there should not be too many light tanks and if you buffed pen you would see no med. tanks in the game. Realism because they have a short gun.

Besides that it's pretty annoying to be penned frontally in your hvy tank by invisible lights.



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View PostSearch_Warrant, on 19 March 2018 - 10:47 PM, said:

 

Only thing wrong with them is everything... they need more than a pen buff.

 

idk im doing fine with amx 13 105 :)

Igor_BL #6 Posted 19 March 2018 - 10:05 PM

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I am ok with pen on amx 13 105, but on 100LT it is awful.

 

also, i am 3marking Russian LT line now, LTWT has ok pen, and all other tanks in this line have more then low penetration...

 

good balancing. good.

 

It is not only the pen. i could live with those penetrations, if acc arent something like 0.42, 0.43... 0.46... ffs. like a gunner has only one eye.


Edited by Igor_BL, 19 March 2018 - 10:06 PM.


unrealname #7 Posted 19 March 2018 - 10:12 PM

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that pen on amx 13 105 is only acceptable because its an autoloader, otherwise even when shooting at targets 300m away with apcr you cant pen crap ;) 100lt is the worst pen wise, because you get AP shell as prem and it has the same pen drop off issue. but then again gun handling on 100lt is amazing, im having great time with on test server, you just dont need to aim, because accuracy is bad anyway ;)

Edited by unrealname, 19 March 2018 - 10:14 PM.


RamRaid90 #8 Posted 19 March 2018 - 10:13 PM

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Don't suffer too much with the Chinese tier X.

 

The Standard APCR is nice and the cHEAT premium is epic.

 

With regards to tier VIII lights. They are no worse now than they were before LT rework. The only difference is theycan now be top tier and not -2/-3 all the time.

 

With regards to complaints about LTs, they are WOT on hardcore mode.

 

Think of WoT as a standard offline shooter game like Doom or Quake.

 

  • SPG = Kiddy mode. For those who lack the necessary brain powertofocus on more than one thing at once.
  • TDs = Amateur mode. For those who need a crutch to make them more effective. IE massive penetration and ridiculous damage for their tier.
  • Heavies = Standard game mode. Easy to play, mostly forgiving, in alot of situations will help the player more than he needs.
  • Mediums  = Hard mode. For those who like a challenge, less armour and worse guns than their easier counterparts.
  • LTs = Hell mode. In the immortal words of COD: II. You will not survive.

Edited by RamRaid90, 19 March 2018 - 10:19 PM.


Igor_BL #9 Posted 19 March 2018 - 10:17 PM

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AP shell and HE on 100LT are like you throw them with your left hand.

 

APCR is good, combined with gun handling, but only if you are shooting CDCs and 4005s.



DracheimFlug #10 Posted 19 March 2018 - 10:20 PM

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View PostRamRaid90, on 19 March 2018 - 10:13 PM, said:

Don't suffer too much with the Chinese tier X.

 

The Standard APCR is nice and the cHEAT premium is epic.

 

With regards to tier VIII lights. They are no worse now than they were before LT rework. The only difference is theycan now be top tier and not -2/-3 all the time.

 

With regards to complaints about LTs, they are WOT on hardcore mode.

 

Think of WoT as a standard offline shooter game like Doom or Quake.

 

  • SPG = Kiddy mode. For those who lack the necessary brain powertofocus on more than one thing at once.
  • TDs = Amateur mode. For those who need a crutch to make them more effective. IE massive penetration and ridiculous damage for their tier.
  • Heavies = Standard game mode. Easy to play, mostly forgiving, in alot of situations will help the player more than he needs.
  • Mediums  = Hard mode. For those who like a challenge, less armour and worse guns than their easier counterparts.
  • LTs = Hell mode. In the immortal words of COD: II. You will not survive.

 

Did all of them exist before the rework?



RamRaid90 #11 Posted 19 March 2018 - 10:25 PM

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View PostDracheimFlug, on 19 March 2018 - 09:20 PM, said:

 

Did all of them exist before the rework?

 

Not sure on the relevance of that comment? Enlighten me.

 

Regardless of whether they existed beforeor not, all tier VIII lights now are in a better place than they were before the remake.

 


Edited by RamRaid90, 19 March 2018 - 10:26 PM.


unrealname #12 Posted 19 March 2018 - 10:28 PM

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ah the good old times of amx 13 90 - 170 pen against tier 10s all day long :) i played it a lot, was one of my fav tanks in game around 450 battles before rework :)

 


Edited by unrealname, 19 March 2018 - 10:33 PM.


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View PostRamRaid90, on 19 March 2018 - 10:13 PM, said:

Don't suffer too much with the Chinese tier X.

 

The Standard APCR is nice and the cHEAT premium is epic.

 

With regards to tier VIII lights. They are no worse now than they were before LT rework. The only difference is theycan now be top tier and not -2/-3 all the time.

 

With regards to complaints about LTs, they are WOT on hardcore mode.

 

Think of WoT as a standard offline shooter game like Doom or Quake.

 

  • SPG = Kiddy mode. For those who lack the necessary brain powertofocus on more than one thing at once.
  • TDs = Amateur mode. For those who need a crutch to make them more effective. IE massive penetration and ridiculous damage for their tier.
  • Heavies = Standard game mode. Easy to play, mostly forgiving, in alot of situations will help the player more than he needs.
  • Mediums  = Hard mode. For those who like a challenge, less armour and worse guns than their easier counterparts.
  • LTs = Hell mode. In the immortal words of COD: II. You will not survive.

 

Given the "recent" balance changes it imo goes like this:

 

newly added or rebalanced heavies = for those who can use only one hand at a time and only fingers, but cant move wrist or whole arm (thus they can press one key on keyboard). Also lacks any ability to try and get better.

SPG = for those that can only use one hand and can move wrist and/or whole arm and one finger.

TDs = for those who can use one arm and fingers, but get exhausted after pressing a key for 20 seconds. Requires the ability to detect redline and bush and make a conscioíus decision to drive there.

old heavies = can use both arms and fingers for at least 3 minutes straight while being able to identify where at least one of the 3 choke points on the map is and then make a decision to drive there.

MTs = for those who can use both arms while at the same time having the ability to count green and red dots on minimap, crossreferencing those dots against list of tanks on own and enemy team, estimating how the game will play out, going to the side of the map that can be won, pressing 2 twice.

LTs = for those who have managed to unite quantum mechanics with relativity and managed to explain consciousness.



Balc0ra #14 Posted 19 March 2018 - 11:02 PM

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You make it sound like their main job is to snipe and do damage. Then again you did complain about the 280 pen on the S1.

Dis4ster #15 Posted 19 March 2018 - 11:14 PM

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Just press 2 guys, buy premium acc/tanks/boosters and spam the balancing rounds like there is no tomorrow.
 


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Lights need the same penetration as mediums of the same tier, there is no reason for them to have worse pen.

 

Mediums have the armour advantage, lights the range (camo/viewrange).

 

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View PostCobra6, on 20 March 2018 - 12:14 AM, said:

Lights need the same penetration as mediums of the same tier, there is no reason for them to have worse pen.

 

Mediums have the armour advantage, lights the range (camo/viewrange).

 

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that would be epic :) but probably wont happen, because wg are afraid that steve the is7 driver will complain that light tenks OP, anyway any lt buff is welcome as its by far most enjoyable class to play for me, increasing carry potential is always welcome :)

 

@Balc0ra the problem is that tier 10 lts cant snipe at all, because of idiotic pen drop off and ht accuracy, to be honest i just dont get the logics, why should tier 10 lts have worse viewrange and worse guns for their tier than tier 9 lts.


Edited by unrealname, 19 March 2018 - 11:35 PM.


Ziurawka #18 Posted 19 March 2018 - 11:33 PM

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I actually can't agree, buffing LT pen will allow the tanks to auto aim and frontally pen lower tier heavies. 

So how about instead of buffing stuff ... nerf tier VIII+ armor ? 



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View PostZiurawka, on 20 March 2018 - 12:33 AM, said:

I actually can't agree, buffing LT pen will allow the tanks to auto aim and frontally pen lower tier heavies. 

So how about instead of buffing stuff ... nerf tier VIII+ armor ? 

 

it would be enough if they remove that stupid pen drop off, its just retarded, why should only tier 10 lts lose much more pen than any other tank in game? if that factor gets removed im fine with pen values, but they still need some accuracy buffs

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View Postunrealname, on 19 March 2018 - 10:38 PM, said:

 

it would be enough if they remove that stupid pen drop off, its just retarded, why should only tier 10 lts lose much more pen than any other tank in game? if that factor gets removed im fine with pen values, but they still need some accuracy buffs

It’s to stop heavies moaning that an invisible light sniped them to death! Lights should have the camo and view range, for the most part true, they should be able to circle and see off isolated tanks like the old tier 5 chaffee was the master of, they need a reload buff for this. 

The T10 lights really should have been an up tiered version of the old T5 lights. Fast, good view range and camo, nimble, able to circle any tank to death, average pen so have to out manoeuvre other tanks, low to average damage but high Rof. 






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