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clanmcwood #1 Posted 21 March 2018 - 09:18 AM

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Ok I just played my first game in 1.0 and its so pretty I had an eyegasm the game feels fluid and runs great.

 

On a serious note a Heavy French Auto loader with a really short reload and higher DPM than the lorrie?? COME ON WG have you not broken the game enough with these Premiums starting to feel a bit like pay to win here guys.


 

Admittedly only seen one vid on it but it looks pretty strong especially with 10 degrees of depression I am absolutely positive we didn't need this in the game and its one and only purpose is a cash cow for WG at £50 its a big one as well. Turret looks fairly weak so there is at least a counter at tier 8 but isn't that tier broken enough?


 

Not sure what you guys think but its just my opinion


 


Edited by clanmcwood, 21 March 2018 - 09:19 AM.


SABAOTH #2 Posted 21 March 2018 - 09:23 AM

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I shredded one in type 59 I am not sure if it is a good performer or not.

Scorilo #3 Posted 21 March 2018 - 09:23 AM

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If you havn't figured it out, it doesn't matter what players think, WG doesn't care, i mean at all !

So they will keep doing whatever they please. Someday if you will see a soviet UFO, dont be surpised, just deal with it :)



TankkiPoju #4 Posted 21 March 2018 - 09:26 AM

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This is like asking "Doesn't WG have enough money already?"

 

Guess what the answer is.



Lohend #5 Posted 21 March 2018 - 09:34 AM

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This tank seems balanced ... this doesn't sound like WG.... *it must be a trap* :hiding:

Pedrik4561 #6 Posted 21 March 2018 - 09:35 AM

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So is the somua SM worth buying then? If its so OP?

Archaean #7 Posted 21 March 2018 - 09:37 AM

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View PostPedrik4561, on 21 March 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

So is the somua SM worth buying then? If its so OP?

 

It's not OP. Though it has incredibly damage per minute but accuracy is a pin in the [edited]and top speed is 37 km/h and hp/t is only 12.5. And its turret is paper for t8 and above tanks. It's op against T6 and T7 but that's pretty much it.

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View PostArchaean, on 21 March 2018 - 09:37 AM, said:

 

It's not OP. Though it has incredibly damage per minute but accuracy is a pin in the [edited]and top speed is 37 km/h and hp/t is only 12.5. And its turret is paper for t8 and above tanks. It's op against T6 and T7 but that's pretty much it.

 

So would you consider it worth buying? Or nah? It can be very op in 1v1 tournaments then.

clanmcwood #9 Posted 21 March 2018 - 09:39 AM

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View PostSABAOTH, on 21 March 2018 - 08:23 AM, said:

I shredded one in type 59 I am not sure if it is a good performer or not.

 

a little early to say but more auto loaders is not something I want especially heavy ones at tier 8

View PostScorilo, on 21 March 2018 - 08:23 AM, said:

If you havn't figured it out, it doesn't matter what players think, WG doesn't care, i mean at all !

So they will keep doing whatever they please. Someday if you will see a soviet UFO, dont be surpised, just deal with it :)

 

Yep figured it out but a small part of me hopes for sanity in this ever increasing madness that is tier 8

View PostTankkiPoju, on 21 March 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

This is like asking "Doesn't WG have enough money already?"

 

Guess what the answer is.

 

Its sad but in the long run they would make more with a balanced game I feel

 

View PostLohend, on 21 March 2018 - 08:34 AM, said:

This tank seems balanced ... this doesn't sound like WG.... *it must be a trap* :hiding:

 

Not sure if it is yet too early to say but yes it could indeed be a trap :trollface:

LordMuffin #10 Posted 21 March 2018 - 09:39 AM

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Not a single one of the French autoloaders are OP, and neither is this.

It isn't worth it imo, the tank looks lackluster due to bad armour and bad mobility, the gun isn't enough to make up for that.

If you want an armoured French T8 premium, get Liberte. If you want a T8 French autoloader, get Lorr 40t.

LordMuffin #11 Posted 21 March 2018 - 09:43 AM

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View PostPedrik4561, on 21 March 2018 - 09:38 AM, said:

 

So would you consider it worth buying? Or nah? It can be very op in 1v1 tournaments then.

It will struggle against most/all T8 heavy tanks in a 1v1 tournament.

 

Defender will probably bounce at least one die to bad accuracy, so you can't clip him, and then he chase and kill during reload.

Also, only 1500 clip damage, most T8 heavies are therefore a 50/50 or less to die.

Same for IS-3.

A Lorr 40T will just find an unexpected angle, shoot you and then run away and reload. Since your tank is to slow to chase.



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View PostPedrik4561, on 21 March 2018 - 09:38 AM, said:

 

So would you consider it worth buying? Or nah? It can be very op in 1v1 tournaments then.

 

It's hard to judge. I for myself won't buy it, because I've had enough of derpy guns and I'm definitely not buying any derpy guns for now (I've got plenty of them). And apart from the derpy gun, its turret is just too big of a weak spot for my taste. It's only good for trading shots and for "flanking" maneuvers. But at the same time its mobility is strongly limited which makes "flanking" less of an option. 

 

It's superior to the AMX 50 100 for sure though, thanks to its short (2.25 s) intra clip shell reload time. If you for example like the AMX 50 100 thanks to it's auto loader (not accuracy) then it's a viable tank for you.



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But my initial point is why they feel we needed another French tier 8 Prem auto loader in the first place? there are other lines that could benefit from a better crew trainer too many French prems already at tier 8 I feel at least

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View Postclanmcwood, on 21 March 2018 - 09:44 AM, said:

But my initial point is why they feel we needed another French tier 8 Prem auto loader in the first place? there are other lines that could benefit from a better crew trainer too many French prems already at tier 8 I feel at least

 

Cos they are removing the 50T, and this fits the autoloading heavy line better than that or the M4 49.

 

There are 3 lines of French autoloaders, lights, meds and heavies, so you have 3 trainers for them. 



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View Postclanmcwood, on 21 March 2018 - 11:44 AM, said:

But my initial point is why they feel we needed another French tier 8 Prem auto loader in the first place? there are other lines that could benefit from a better crew trainer too many French prems already at tier 8 I feel at least

 

The term would be 'milking'

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it's balanced in some ways the armour only really works on most tier 7 and almost all tier 6 tanks (baring tanks like the arl 44, arl v39, amx m4 45, but they don't have the dpm nor health nor mobility nor armour to tank a full clip and chase the souma.) has worse accuracy but better aim time than 50 100, slightly better health, better intra-shell reload and clip reload, better armour and better gun depression. but worse mobility, burst damage and view range plus accuracy.

Simeon85 #17 Posted 21 March 2018 - 10:48 AM

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I think they were trying to create a French T57 heavy, a slow autoloader with troll armour, but it doesn't have the raw DPM or clip speed advantage the 57 has and too much of the armour looks too weak to me. 

 

The other issue with is because of the oscillating turret, using the full gun depression doesn't really improve the turret armour like it would on most tanks as the whole top of the turret points down with the gun so the angle to your target stays the same as it would on the flat. 


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View PostTankkiPoju, on 21 March 2018 - 09:26 AM, said:

This is like asking "Doesn't WG have enough money already?"

 

Guess what the answer is.

 

YES! the answer is YES!

It would be enough money only with income from premium time alone. Last night there were almost 200k players online and even if only 10% of those players had premium time, well about 200k euros every month it's freaking enough. You don't need huge teams and stupid costs to keep a good game alive. But it must be good in the first place. No one asks for new tanks and branches when the most important is to have a fun game where you can connect with other people and not troll around, where you can roleplay, where you can compete and have fun. so like four branches for four nationalities would had been more than enough. A dedicated player should be able to relatively easy get all tanks in the game without spending any money or stupid amount of time playing. And the rest of the focus could had been towards end game content. Like events, tournaments, maybe even some poker like gold battles for players, where maybe WG could had sold gold but also buy it at favorable rates for WG. Many ideas and possibilities. You don't need billions of people playing your game, specially not kids and adults in the same nerve grinding environment.

I hate sellouts. Make a product and stick with it regardless of it's popularity! Don't freaking change midway just because there is more money to make! Make a different product if you want but don't be a greedy douchebag and and destroy what you made good beforehand.


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View PostSomnorila, on 21 March 2018 - 12:54 PM, said:

 

YES! the answer is YES!

It would be enough money only with income from premium time alone. Last night there were almost 200k players online and even if only 10% of those players had premium time, well about 200k euros every month it's freaking enough. You don't need huge teams and stupid costs to keep a good game alive. But it must be good in the first place. No one asks for new tanks and branches when the most important is to have a fun game where you can connect with other people and not troll around, where you can roleplay, where you can compete and have fun. so like four branches for four nationalities would had been more than enough. A dedicated player should be able to relatively easy get all tanks in the game without spending any money or stupid amount of time playing. And the rest of the focus could had been towards end game content. Like events, tournaments, maybe even some poker like gold battles for players, where maybe WG could had sold gold but also buy it at favorable rates for WG. Many ideas and possibilities. You don't need billions of people playing your game, specially not kids and adults in the same nerve grinding environment.

I hate sellouts. Make a product and stick with it regardless of it's popularity! Don't freaking change midway just because there is more money to make! Make a different product if you want but don't be a greedy douchebag and and destroy what you made good beforehand.

 

To be fair ~200k per month for a company this size would be disaster. If you cut the teams and stop development, game will die soon after. 

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If you are t6-7, this tank is OP as holy hell.

If you are in a t8, it is meh towards slightly OP up close and personal (where accuracy matters less).

If you are t9, it will sting you a bit to deal with it, but not kill you.

If you are t10, it's an HP pinata.






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