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Silverwarg #1 Posted 21 March 2018 - 09:43 PM

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So I was just out with my Strv 103B and faced off against a bunch of E100 and an IS-7. Fired at an E100 at 430 m range, and got spotted. What's the point of having a weak armoured stealth sniper when the enemy can spot you from pretty much max view range anyway?

Tankyouverymuch2 #2 Posted 21 March 2018 - 09:46 PM

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Noob. Use a bush and pull back 15m from it. :trollface:

Balc0ra #3 Posted 21 March 2018 - 10:04 PM

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What's the point of hiding behind vegetation if you are not gonna move behind it when firing? Then again, there could be a light closer that was not spotted for all you know. Or that was on your flank that had view lines behind the bush.

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The target you are shooting at is not necessarily the vehicle which as lit you. 

dimethylcadmium #5 Posted 21 March 2018 - 10:33 PM

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With a camo paint, camo crew and camo net, 103B has 12.65% camo after shooting. That's 12.65% if you're sitting in the open, no bush.

 

I can't be bothered to do math, but my guess is either IS-7 or E-100 had a REALLY, REALLY good view range crew. Like, 450+ view range.

 

Or you simply got spotted by an enemy light tank near you, he could have been anywhere on the new maps

 

 


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Silverwarg #6 Posted 21 March 2018 - 10:34 PM

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Let's just pretend that I have about 33k battles and over 50% winrate, so I know a little what I'm doing. 1. I couldn't pull back, because there wasn't any space and if I didn't try and hold there, I had to fall back over half the map before I could gain another position with any kind of cover. And 2. It was a corridor with mountains on each side, so no one was spotting me from the side.

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A replay could be helpful..

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View PostSilverwarg, on 21 March 2018 - 10:34 PM, said:

Let's just pretend that I have about 33k battles and over 50% winrate, so I know a little what I'm doing. 1. I couldn't pull back, because there wasn't any space and if I didn't try and hold there, I had to fall back over half the map before I could gain another position with any kind of cover. And 2. It was a corridor with mountains on each side, so no one was spotting me from the side.

 

You sure? with t 92 I came to be unspotted at less than 100 m from scouts, elc is rather sneaky too, sure I would be spotted if I had to shoot, but the increase in bushes buffed the lights a lot (finally)

OCaptainMyCaptain #9 Posted 21 March 2018 - 10:43 PM

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Most tier 10 heavies have 400m or better view range as standard, it's not that hard to get it to 445+ with just a few skills and the right equipment.

Silverwarg #10 Posted 21 March 2018 - 10:46 PM

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View PostOCaptainMyCaptain, on 21 March 2018 - 09:43 PM, said:

Most tier 10 heavies have 400m or better view range as standard, it's not that hard to get it to 445+ with just a few skills and the right equipment.

 

And that's why I'd like them to nerf them, thus the title. :P

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Honestly just sounds like a Swedish TD Got what he rightly deserved. You were firing from within his viewrange (he has 400 Base. Add Vents, Optics or a few crew skills and he easily hits 445) without any bush cover, if you think he shouldn't be able to spot you as a result and thus nerf the viewrange then frankly I can't really comment without risking a ban.

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"weak armoured" ^^

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View PostSilverwarg, on 21 March 2018 - 10:34 PM, said:

Let's just pretend that I have about 33k battles and over 50% winrate, so I know a little what I'm doing. 1. I couldn't pull back, because there wasn't any space and if I didn't try and hold there, I had to fall back over half the map before I could gain another position with any kind of cover. And 2. It was a corridor with mountains on each side, so no one was spotting me from the side.

 

I have also achieved a WR of a little over 50% by never reading the situation incorrectly. 

Balc0ra #14 Posted 21 March 2018 - 10:58 PM

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View PostSilverwarg, on 21 March 2018 - 10:34 PM, said:

Let's just pretend that I have about 33k battles and over 50% winrate, so I know a little what I'm doing.

 

Having 33K battles and a 50% WR don't indicate you know where every un-spotted enemy is that you have not seen for a few min. As a red last seen dot on the map that has been there for over a min is already outdated useless info. Even with mountains on each side. There could be one with binocs or opitcs in front of them that you did not see.

 

And even so, an E100 with good crew and optics "if the used that" can easily get close to 430, most HT's without optics or binoculars barely gets past 400 as is with crew skills even. As I can't get an E100 to come close to 430 without optics. And as I doubt he used that... I suspect there was a 3rd party unseen.

 

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View PostBalc0ra, on 21 March 2018 - 09:58 PM, said:

 

Having 33K battles and a 50% WR don't indicate you know where every un-spotted enemy is that you have not seen for a few min. As a red last seen dot on the map that has been there for over a min is already outdated useless info. Even with mountains on each side. There could be one with binocs or opitcs in front of them that you did not see.

 

And even so, an E100 with good crew and optics "if the used that" can easily get close to 430, most HT's without optics or binoculars barely gets past 400 as is with crew skills even. As I can't get an E100 to come close to 430 without optics. And as I doubt he used that... I suspect there was a 3rd party unseen.

 

You suspect wrong.

 

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View PostDesyatnik_Pansy, on 21 March 2018 - 09:48 PM, said:

Honestly just sounds like a Swedish TD Got what he rightly deserved. You were firing from within his viewrange (he has 400 Base. Add Vents, Optics or a few crew skills and he easily hits 445) without any bush cover, if you think he shouldn't be able to spot you as a result and thus nerf the viewrange then frankly I can't really comment without risking a ban.

 

​Then answer my initial question: What's the point of a "stealthy" TD, if people just spot them from max view range anyway? Could just have an unpainted FV and fire from 500 m.

Edited by Silverwarg, 21 March 2018 - 11:13 PM.


IncandescentGerbil #16 Posted 21 March 2018 - 11:07 PM

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I wish nothing but a plague of overmatch on all Swedish TDs.

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View PostBalc0ra, on 21 March 2018 - 09:58 PM, said:

 

Having 33K battles and a 50% WR don't indicate you know where every un-spotted enemy is that you have not seen for a few min. As a red last seen dot on the map that has been there for over a min is already outdated useless info. Even with mountains on each side. There could be one with binocs or opitcs in front of them that you did not see.

 

And even so, an E100 with good crew and optics "if the used that" can easily get close to 430, most HT's without optics or binoculars barely gets past 400 as is with crew skills even. As I can't get an E100 to come close to 430 without optics. And as I doubt he used that... I suspect there was a 3rd party unseen.

 

E 100 with BiA, optics and food is already 468, add sit awareness to that as it's a feasible third skill for a radioman and you have 482, plenty enough to spot a Swedish cheese wedge shooting without cover. With bia, food, sit awareness and vents you still get 451, so you don't necessarily even need the optics to spot OP.

 

EDIT I went and checked my E 100, I have BiA, food and 66% situational awareness on the crew and already have 438 view range. I ditched vents and optics in favour of a spall liner so I'm not over max view range, but once I get recon it'll push it just over the magic number.


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View PostSilverwarg, on 21 March 2018 - 09:46 PM, said:

 

And that's why I'd like them to nerf them, thus the title. :P

 

sure alongside with a 50% Td viewrange reduction.

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View PostSilverwarg, on 21 March 2018 - 10:34 PM, said:

Let's just pretend that I have about 33k battles and over 50% winrate, so I know a little what I'm doing. 1. I couldn't pull back, because there wasn't any space and if I didn't try and hold there, I had to fall back over half the map before I could gain another position with any kind of cover. And 2. It was a corridor with mountains on each side, so no one was spotting me from the side.

 

Let's pretend there's a replay to watch, shall we? Based on your starting post it is quite hard to believe you actually 'know what you're doing'.

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View Posttankqull, on 21 March 2018 - 10:20 PM, said:

 

sure alongside with a 50% Td viewrange reduction.

 

I wouldn't mind a TD view-nerf either to be honest.




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