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PabloGee #1 Posted 22 March 2018 - 01:57 AM

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Any one can  compare it for me ? Just owners both please. I had opportunity to test Lorr but not Somua.

Is it worth to buy?

 

 

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Grand_Moff_Tano #2 Posted 22 March 2018 - 02:00 AM

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Both tanks aren't really comparable, considering the Somua is comparable to the AMX 50.

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ok i havent played somua myself, but i do have the lorraine, lorraine works in this meta, because of speed, otherwise it would be complete garbage. what i can see from stats and people testing them - armor on it works only against tier 6-7s ( if they dont know where to shoot), gun is the only thing that it really has - high burst dmg with low intraclip reload and very good dpm for an autloader. but thats where the good things about it ends, its speed/power to weight ratio is worse than on IS3, i guess  mobility is comparable to amx m4 49 even though that thing still has better top speed and power to weight lol, but somua has better ground resistances. Its up to you ofcourse, wg advertises somua as armored autoloader, but i dont see any bit of actual armor on it for close to mid range engagements, because with that kind of crap mobility you cant run away to reload. hull armor is comparable to tiger 2, which is not considered great, but the turret is pretty much the same as on amx 50 100, it has only few autobounce angles and thats about it, rest of it will get rekt by everything. on top of that because of bad mobility you will get rekt by arty as well - whole top of the tank is only 20 mm same as lorraine, but lorraine is much harder to hit.

 

it shares same concept as 50b - strong frontal hull armor with paper turret on top, but there is a big difference 50 b is FAST, somua is slower than is3. I have played 50b only for smting like 90 battles, i researched it 6-7 months ago - in this hull down meta 50b is bad to be honest, you cant go hulldown yourself and what the hell are you going to against hull down Super qonqs, is7s, type 5s that derp you for 700? same crap is with Somua SM, you can go hull down in it, even with full gun depression turret is till an autopen for everything. I mean somua will have its moments, same as 50b has once in 10 battles, but i really dont enjoy that tank in current meta - t57heavy is miles better than 50b in current meta. So the question is, what you need that tank for? want to train your crew for 50B?  no point, because 50b is not any good in current random battle meta. want to grind credits with it? yes you can do it, but its not going to be much fun, enjoy getting derped in the face by HE all day long, cause the gun is not accurate enough to snipe ;)

 

To be honest its just sad that 50B from being one of the better tier 10s some time back(2016 hello, had a 50b on a reroll account :D and it was bloody great back then), has become pretty much useless turd in random battles, while many people might still get great results in it, for me that crap just dont work in this hulldown, HE derp peek a boom meta, like what the fek you are supposed to do in 80 % of the maps in it? same story is going to be for Somua SM, but even worse, you cant even run away lol.


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Yesterday I played some battles on Somua @ stock crew. Well in first battles it exceeded my expectations as a ridgeline tank but poor gun handling makes it bad sniper.

In good hands it will became a very danger tanks and some skilled players will keep avr dmg 3.5+k on it.

 

First evidence for that is my last battle yesterday - 1517 base exp, 7 frags, almost 4k dmg, 1k assist, all shots from less than 50m, decap, seven badges and two medals = 3rd mastery class. 

 

 



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If you have one you don't need the other. Personally I would take whatever is fastest.

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View Postsignal11th, on 22 March 2018 - 08:44 AM, said:

If you have one you don't need the other. Personally I would take whatever is fastest.

 

I agree.

 

I did a line by line comparison between the two, and for me the speed and ability to keep out of danger while you reload is worth missing out on that extra round given that the Somua armour isn't good anyway.



arthurwellsley #7 Posted 22 March 2018 - 10:00 AM

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Somua, AMX 50 100, amx 50 120, and 50B are all very team dependent. If you platoon with another player who is in a heavily armoured heavy tank then working together with him baiting enemy shots, and you in your French auto loader popping out doing damage then the French auto loader will work well and produce good results. Without some one to team up with all of these French autoloaders struggle in pub battles.

 

There was a time when the 50 100 and 50B got used in various forms of team battles because of their burst damage. I cannot imagine that the Somua will become popular in tier VIII SH/CW/team battles because although it has a better armour layout than the tech tree amx 50 100 it pays for it with a longer interclip timer and so has to be exposed for longer to deliver the whole magazine of damage.

 

The Somua has more hull armour and in particular more side armour than the AMX 50 100 and so has more survivability in pubs. But as well as the already mentioned worse interclip it also is slower and less manoeuvrable. 

 

If you need a crew trainer for either AMX 50 100 or 50B that is what the Somua is designed for. Otherwise probably not worth while.

 

If WG bring back tank locking for more of tier VIII clan wars battles then that might be another reason to purchase a Somua.

 

Lorraine 40t is a crew trainer for the Bat Chat, and for many of us that is the reason that we have it and play a daily double on it. Crew perks on the Bat Chat are really vital.

 


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Simeon85 #8 Posted 22 March 2018 - 10:06 AM

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Basically mobility (Lorraine) v some armour/more DPM/one shell (Somua)

 

For me, in the current meta the Lorraine wins it because going 37kph with 12 hp/ton when you are going to be in 70-80% tier 10 games, where even Super Conquerors are going to be as fast as you (before we even mention IS7s, 5As etc.) is just not usable enough.

 

If we had the old MM, where you'd see tier 6s and 7s fairly often then the Somua might edge it because it would bounce some shots, but basically it is paper compared to most of what it faces, so if both tanks are effectively armourless, then I'd take the one that is more mobile.

 

So I decided against it as I own the Lorraine, I'll probably more go for the Italian premium, the Caernarvon Action X and the T-44 ltw when those come out. 



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View Postarthurwellsley, on 22 March 2018 - 12:00 PM, said:

Somua, AMX 50 100, amx 50 120, and 50B are all very team dependent. If you platoon with another player who is in a heavily armoured heavy tank then working together with him baiting enemy shots, and you in your French auto loader popping out doing damage then the French auto loader will work well and produce good results. Without some one to team up with all of these French autoloaders struggle in pub battles.

 

There was a time when the 50 100 and 50B got used in various forms of team battles because of their burst damage. I cannot imagine that the Somua will become popular in tier VIII SH/CW/team battles because although it has a better armour layout than the tech tree amx 50 100 it pays for it with a longer interclip timer and so has to be exposed for longer to deliver the whole magazine of damage.

 

The Somua has more hull armour and in particular more side armour than the AMX 50 100 and so has more survivability in pubs. But as well as the already mentioned worse interclip it also is slower and less manoeuvrable. 

 

If you need a crew trainer for either AMX 50 100 or 50B that is what the Somua is designed for. Otherwise probably not worth while.

 

If WG bring back tank locking for more of tier VIII clan wars battles then that might be another reason to purchase a Somua.

 

Lorraine 40t is a crew trainer for the Bat Chat, and for many of us that is the reason that we have it and play a daily double on it. Crew perks on the Bat Chat are really vital.

 

 

Somua have better interclip reload time than AMX 50 100 and Lorr prem autoloader med.

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both tanks is out of date. lorr not good and somua i think is same very bad tank. 

Lorr biggest problem is ultra big RNG. you have 4 round and 3 round missed. very hard to play lorr.


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View PostRenamedUser_528490147, on 22 March 2018 - 12:32 PM, said:

both tanks is out of date. lorr not good and somua i think is same very bad tank. 

Lorr biggest problem is ultra big RNG. you have 4 round and 3 round missed. very hard to play lorr.

 

well, Soma have worse accuracy than Lorr.

Its exactly like IS3, just without russia blessing to RNG... :trollface:



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View PostRenamedUser_528490147, on 22 March 2018 - 10:32 AM, said:

both tanks is out of date. lorr not good and somua i think is same very bad tank. 

Lorr biggest problem is ultra big RNG. you have 4 round and 3 round missed. very hard to play lorr.

 

No, lorr is actually very good, you just have to find the right opportunities and have a little patience with your shots, there’s a reason it is amongst top 5 highest expected damage among tier 8’s for wn8.

Edited by SuperOlsson, 22 March 2018 - 10:58 AM.


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View PostSuperOlsson, on 22 March 2018 - 10:55 AM, said:

 

No, lorr is actually very good, you just have to find the right opportunities and have a little patience with your shots, there’s a reason it is amongst top 5 highest expected damage among tier 8’s for wn8.

 

i have lorr, 312 battles, 65% WR and avg exp is 1030 but this tank is very hard to play because RNG is bad. 

this tank is not suitable for the weakest player. 


Edited by RenamedUser_528490147, 22 March 2018 - 11:06 AM.


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View Post____Green____, on 22 March 2018 - 09:11 AM, said:

First evidence for that is my last battle yesterday - 1517 base exp, 7 frags, almost 4k dmg, 1k assist, all shots from less than 50m, decap, seven badges and two medals = 3rd mastery class. 

 

Do you think that's the case or could its mastery be broken? I find it very hard to believe that the tank is so utterly broken that a 1500 is third. Saw Circon get 1350 yesterday for nothing and I could hear my bug bells ring then, 1500 3rd is just bonkers. 



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View Postarthurwellsley, on 22 March 2018 - 10:00 AM, said:

Somua, AMX 50 100, amx 50 120, and 50B are all very team dependent. If you platoon with another player who is in a heavily armoured heavy tank then working together with him baiting enemy shots, and you in your French auto loader popping out doing damage then the French auto loader will work well and produce good results. Without some one to team up with all of these French autoloaders struggle in pub battles.

 

There was a time when the 50 100 and 50B got used in various forms of team battles because of their burst damage. I cannot imagine that the Somua will become popular in tier VIII SH/CW/team battles because although it has a better armour layout than the tech tree amx 50 100 it pays for it with a longer interclip timer and so has to be exposed for longer to deliver the whole magazine of damage.

 

The Somua has more hull armour and in particular more side armour than the AMX 50 100 and so has more survivability in pubs. But as well as the already mentioned worse interclip it also is slower and less manoeuvrable. 

 

If you need a crew trainer for either AMX 50 100 or 50B that is what the Somua is designed for. Otherwise probably not worth while.

 

If WG bring back tank locking for more of tier VIII clan wars battles then that might be another reason to purchase a Somua.

 

Lorraine 40t is a crew trainer for the Bat Chat, and for many of us that is the reason that we have it and play a daily double on it. Crew perks on the Bat Chat are really vital.

 

 

The Somua has I believe the fastest intra-clip reload of the three autoloaders. 

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View PostRenamedUser_528490147, on 22 March 2018 - 11:05 AM, said:

 

i have lorr, 312 battles, 65% WR and avg exp is 1030 but this tank is very hard to play because RNG is bad. 

this tank is not suitable for the weakest player. 

 

 A tank being hard to play does not mean it’s bad, the skorpion g would also be bad using the same logic.

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Here have a look



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View PostSuperOlsson, on 22 March 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

 

 A tank being hard to play does not mean it’s bad, the skorpion g would also be bad using the same logic.

Skorp G is hard to play?

 

:amazed:

 

I'm a pretty bad TD player but as long as you don't camp in obvious places it's easy money damage. Can even play like a false Medium sometimes...



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View PostPUNISHER989_EU, on 22 March 2018 - 02:08 PM, said:

Here have a look

 

pointless to shoot premium ammo

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Lorraine is faster but one extra shell is nice




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