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Simeon85 #1 Posted 22 March 2018 - 10:25 AM

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Is on tanks.gg now since the update. 

 

Things to note -

 

  • It is able to mount a rammer (may be a tanks.gg error but I have read that in one of the Q&As these Italian tanks could mount a rammer), which means you can get the reloads down to 6.73s/7.91s/11.08s fully pimped out. 

 

  • Which is a 25.72s reload in total for a 3 shot clip of 720 damage. (does it in 4s)

 

  • Means the DPM is acceptable at 1.7k base and you can get it to around 2.1k (which is higher than the T69 can get to).

 

  • Gun handling wise it is much superior to a T69, better dispersion, better accuracy, better aim time. It's got gun handling marginally better than Cent 1 as it has slightly better aim time and turret dispersion. So whilst not great, not bad for an autoloader, better than the both the Lorraine and T69.

 

  • Mobility wise it has 18.6 hp/ton, with 55 kph top speed and amazing ground resistances (better than a T-62a) so aside top speed it's likely to be as mobile as the Lorraine, if not slightly more agile.

 

  • Armour model is not working but it looks likely to be paper.

 

Overall looks pretty good, solid pen on both rounds, very mobile, decent gun handling, good accuracy, solid view range, good gun depression and obviously the new loading mechanic. 

 

As a pure single shot (maxed out), you have a slightly worse reload than a Pershing maxed out, but also have 720 burst damage in 4s, with a 25 reload. Seems unlike the tier 9 and 10 Italian tanks released on test it doesn't suffer with terrible single shot DPM, super slow intra-clip or an over the top reload.

 

Aside the T69's ability to troll bounce stuff it's flat out better than the T69 and gives the Lorraine a run for it's money, almost being like the TVP is to the Bat Chat. 

 

Obviously all could change though. 

 

EDIT: What is also funny is that aside DPM, as a single shot tank, it's probably better than the CDC, pretty much as fast and agile, more HE proof armour, better gun handling, same pen, same view range. 


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Aikl #2 Posted 22 March 2018 - 10:50 AM

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Hm. Not sure how I 'feel' about having both burst damage and OK-ish single-shot damage output. No armor probably helps in that regard, and it's not like that kind of burst is huge, but I get the feeling it'll just end up being a defensive mechanic. Doubt it's going to be overpowered, but that sounds like kind of a pain in the behind to play against. 

 

Well, on second thought, knowing Wargaming's tendency to go full-FOTM with the new T10s the line might end up a 'tad' too stronk for a few months.



ortega456 #3 Posted 22 March 2018 - 10:53 AM

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I'm looking forward to the italians and the new prem. I guess I'll buy it and check it out. IMO the new reloading mechanic makes those tanks very flexible on the battlefield and the more flexible a tank is, the better it can be used.

 

i hope it won't take too long until this prem will be introduced.



Simeon85 #4 Posted 22 March 2018 - 11:17 AM

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View PostAikl, on 22 March 2018 - 10:50 AM, said:

Hm. Not sure how I 'feel' about having both burst damage and OK-ish single-shot damage output. No armor probably helps in that regard, and it's not like that kind of burst is huge, but I get the feeling it'll just end up being a defensive mechanic. Doubt it's going to be overpowered, but that sounds like kind of a pain in the behind to play against. 

 

Well, on second thought, knowing Wargaming's tendency to go full-FOTM with the new T10s the line might end up a 'tad' too stronk for a few months.

 

I think they have pitched it ok from those stats.

 

Trouble is the the 230-250 alpha tier 8 meds have terrible DPM for that alpha and the T69 is horribly out dated and needs a buff (but they have apparently finished re-balancing tier 8 :facepalm:). It's clearly better than the T69 IMO and clearly better than something like a CDC or Panther 88 because it's basically paper like them but trades a little bit of DPM for 720 burst damage. But that is more an issue with those tanks than this tank. 

 

Can't see it being OP, as basically no paper tank in the current meta is close to OP, most are underpowered. 

 

They have pitched it like the tier 9 and 10 should be pitched, single shot DPM on the lower end of the single shot tanks, reload for the clip similar to autlloaders with bigger clips, IIRC Lorraine as like 1-2s slower reload for 1200 clip damage and the T69 has 1-2s faster reload for 960 clip damage. 

 

So as a pure single shot it's not great, as a pure autoloader it's not great but obviously has both options to balance that.

 

They also haven't crippled it with the intra-clip being terrible which as we know from the Swedish heavies and the likes of the 50120 makes them poor. 

 

But the tier 9 Italian tank currently has 3x350 with 3.5s between shells, and the tier 10 has 4 x 350, with 3s between shells and the total clip reload takes nearly 60s. The tier 10 has something like 1.2k single shot DPM! 



sephibaby #5 Posted 22 March 2018 - 01:41 PM

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I'll pick it up regardless because I like collecting the tier 8 premiums, but does anyone know the EU release date?

Balc0ra #6 Posted 22 March 2018 - 01:49 PM

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View PostSimeon85, on 22 March 2018 - 10:25 AM, said:

  • Means the DPM is acceptable at 1.7k base and you can get it to around 2.1k (which is higher than the T69 can get to).

 

Considering how you can fire the gun. And that the dpm is "flexible". I expected nothing less. Then again by the looks of it. If he spends all rounds instantly. He is more screwed on DPM then even the T69. But if he waits until he can clip the T69.. then most clip guns won't stand a chance unless they have massive burst damage.

Nishi_Kinuyo #7 Posted 22 March 2018 - 10:35 PM

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If firing only in single-shot mode, then it is worse than the STA-2 in almost all aspects.

Slightly better armour and acceleration, and that's mostly it.



Simeon85 #8 Posted 23 March 2018 - 09:30 AM

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View PostNishi_Kinuyo, on 22 March 2018 - 10:35 PM, said:

If firing only in single-shot mode, then it is worse than the STA-2 in almost all aspects.

Slightly better armour and acceleration, and that's mostly it.

 

Considering the burst though I think that is pretty good, STA-2 is a solid all round medium, give a 3 shot autoloader and it would have more value and be more effective I think.

 

Also from having played the ELC EVEN 90, even a very low DPM autoloader is quite useful if you know what you are doing, and this one has added flexibility. 



VarzA #9 Posted 23 March 2018 - 01:55 PM

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I suspect this tank will be a very good credit farmer.

 

If the shell is at 250-ish creds, we are talking of 240 hp / 250 creds, so roughly 1 cred/1hp of damage.

Lorraine is currently at about 3.3, Revalorise at 1.7 or so, Skorpion is at 2.1 i think ....



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View PostVarzA, on 23 March 2018 - 01:55 PM, said:

I suspect this tank will be a very good credit farmer.

 

If the shell is at 250-ish creds, we are talking of 240 hp / 250 creds, so roughly 1 cred/1hp of damage.

Lorraine is currently at about 3.3, Revalorise at 1.7 or so, Skorpion is at 2.1 i think ....

 

Shell cost is 430. 

VarzA #11 Posted 23 March 2018 - 03:07 PM

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View PostSimeon85, on 23 March 2018 - 02:55 PM, said:

 

Shell cost is 430. 

 

Hmmm .... it's over the level of the Revalorise then.

1.48 creds / hp with Revalorise, 1.79 creds/hp with this one, not sure that it will be worth it then.



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View PostVarzA, on 23 March 2018 - 12:55 PM, said:

I suspect this tank will be a very good credit farmer.

 

If the shell is at 250-ish creds, we are talking of 240 hp / 250 creds, so roughly 1 cred/1hp of damage.

Lorraine is currently at about 3.3, Revalorise at 1.7 or so, Skorpion is at 2.1 i think ....

 

Shelll cost would actually matter if the credit gain per damage dealt was 'global'. Pretty sure it's tank-specific. How good a tank is is probably more important anyway, because the biggest credit boost comes from winning (though a good-damage loss is likely better than a crappy win). Even if it was a globally set credit 'factor', I'm not sure shell cost would be a big deal unless you missed/dinged 90% of your shots. 

 

In the end the 'fun factor' kind of dictates how good a tank is at making credits, simply because you'll play it more if it's fun. Not sure how many would play even the Mauerbrecher if it made twice the credits of a T8 medium.


Edited by Aikl, 23 March 2018 - 03:16 PM.


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According to tanks.gg 212 penetration with a 430 cost for regular ammo and 259 pen for 4.400 cost...

 

It will be a good credit maker, if you shoot low tier tanks. To play in a platoon and in teams... for solo randoms it will be hard to make it work in tier 10 games.



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Pens look like those of the CDC, they are not as good as they were, but overall ok.

 

For instance the 192mm of pen of the T25 Pilot doesn't bother me that much. :)


Edited by VarzA, 23 March 2018 - 10:48 PM.





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